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[05:42:30] <evilotto> if a user tries to join a MUC but mistakenly gives a user JID instead of a MUC JID, what should rationally happen? Should the server recognize the presence broadcast as a join attempt and send back a service-unavailable error?
[05:44:36] <waqas> The join presence would be sent to a full JID. Usually the resource (nick) wouldn't exist, leading to the presence being dropped, and optionally an error reply.
[05:45:22] <waqas> In the case where a resource matching the join nick is online, the resource would get the presence (a server could in theory filter it, but none do AFAIK).
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[07:43:21] <mazzachre> I belive I have read something about this somewhere but I can't seem to find it now. "Transient subscriptions" to pubsub nodes... That is subscriptions that stop when you go offline (sort of depends on precense-based-delivery system) is this in the std. now and I just can't find it? Or did it never get in?
[07:45:14] <mazzachre> Also, on another note... item-id conflict resolution configuration. Currently I belive the std. says "overwrite" but what about making that configureable? overwrite, error or create-other-id would be what I suggest, but perhaps there are others?
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[08:57:57] <Kev> Has anyone had any success connecting to bosh from a desktop client? I'm having issues with both Gajim and Pidgin. Pidgin is connecting through to the server, but then getting the connection terminated when it sends something that looks funky (to me). Gajim seems to be requesting an invalid URL from the BOSH proxy.
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[09:17:35] <Zash> Kev: i think it worksforme
[09:18:12] <Flo> Used to work. (gajim + prosody)
[09:20:49] <Zash> /me tries pidgin → apache → ejabberd
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[09:21:58] <Zash> "The BOSH connection manager terminated your session"
[09:24:42] <Zash> pidgin → ejabberd
[09:24:45] <Zash> failed too :(
[09:25:46] <Alex> I have seen many incompatibiliies with BOSH. I think we need much more BOSH interopt
[09:26:57] <Zash> Gajim → ejabberd worked
[09:28:47] <Kev> Thanks.
[09:28:54] <Zash> Pidgin 2.6.6 (libpurple 2.6.6) fc3d5c2a3920e0875ac235415cea9fc7f5ed780c
[09:29:47] <Zash> and gajim is latest hg
[09:32:48] <mazzachre> In case XEP 0248 (and the basic collection/leaf) system is not implemented in pubsub, what should meta-data request then return? Still an <identify category="pubsub" type="???"/> or no type?
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[10:09:30] <mazzachre> Or should I always set type="leaf" when nothing else is supported?
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[10:12:07] <mazzachre> Anyone?
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[10:44:03] <mazzachre> If node collections are not supported in a pubsub component should it return leaf when enquired??
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[11:06:51] <mazzachre> It only makes sense to show one of the access-* in disco#info for pubsub component, right? Or should I show all that is supported?
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[12:10:00] <mazzachre> I am writing a full set of request response tests for our new pubsub component... Lots of work there...
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[14:37:25] <darkrain> Kev: What server were you testing against (and what was Pidgin sending)?
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[14:40:47] <hello> hello
[14:41:38] <hello> hello
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[14:42:40] <Kev> darkrain: do I have you in my roster?
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[14:43:21] <Sam> Is there any testing service for jingle - any room or bot that allows testing of voice settings over xmpp, like the skype testing service?
[14:43:24] <darkrain> I don't believe so. You're welcome to add me.
[14:43:41] <Kev> Done :)
[14:44:15] <darkrain> Sam: I believe Collabora runs an echobot, but I don't recall the JID
[14:44:40] <darkrain> http://alsuren.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/telepathic-reverberations/
[14:45:37] <Sam> just trying that...
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[14:49:25] <Sam> darkrain: I added gabble.echo@test.collabora.co.uk as a contact but it rejects calls and is listed as offline in text chat. Either I'm trying to contact it incorrectly or the service is down :/
[14:49:43] <Sam> (using psi) thanks for the link though
[14:50:35] <darkrain> Ping alsuren on IRC :)
[14:51:38] <Sam> darkrain: what irc channel?
[14:52:12] <Nolan> Yeah, it would appear to be offline now. I can confirm both that it worked as of a few weeks ago and that it's occasionally been online recently, within the last day or two.
[14:52:38] <Sam> Nolan: good to know. at least they published the code so it can be deployed elsewhere
[14:52:39] <darkrain> Sam: #telepathy on freenode, according to that blog post
[14:52:44] <Nolan> /me nods.
[14:52:59] <Sam> darkrain: sorry, didn't think to look there
[14:53:20] <darkrain> ;)
[14:54:17] <darkrain> http://alsuren.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/mind-control/ suggests the reason why it's down often (and offers up another JID)
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[14:58:33] <Sam> yes echo@ is not online and working as alsuren relaunched it :D
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[15:22:53] <xepbot> Unhandled error: commands.lua:14: attempt to index local 'num' (a nil value) MattJ! I'm borken again!!
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[15:23:48] <Zash> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0166.html#support
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[16:30:07] <rjhall> hi. does anyone recognise this? <jabberim xmlns="jabberim:textconferencing">
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[20:19:53] <dwd> rjhall, Only google hit I can find is some mention of it in a Jabber XCP -> ejabberd migration about 5 years ago.
[20:21:01] <stpeter> /me waves to dwd
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[20:23:28] <dwd> /me modulates the echo.
[20:24:37] <rjhall> dwd: thanks.
[20:25:27] <dwd> rjhall, Actually, jabber.com apparently had/have a client called "Jabber IM", which is quite possibly related.
[20:26:29] <stpeter> had
[20:26:45] <stpeter> well, everything related to jabber.com is "had"
[20:27:08] <dwd> stpeter, Unless you're US Federal Government, right?
[20:27:32] <stpeter> IIRC "Jabber IM" (a.k.a. "JIM") was alive in the timeframe of 2001-2003
[20:27:44] <dwd> Oh, gosh. Long time past, then.
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[20:28:06] <stpeter> it was originally a fork of an alpha version of Winjab
[20:28:07] <dwd> stpeter, How's the IESG thing going, BTW?
[20:28:20] <stpeter> dwd: it's fairly insane :)
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[20:28:56] <stpeter> dwd: I suppose I'm working 80 hours a week now
[20:29:49] <dwd> stpeter, Yes... Keeping yourself busy, then.
[20:31:29] <stpeter> for this week's telechat we had ~800 pages to read
[20:31:34] <stpeter> maybe more, I didn't count exactly
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[20:32:03] <dwd> stpeter, Alexey mentioned Yang weighing in at 300 pages, yes.
[20:32:29] <stpeter> yeah
[20:33:17] <dwd> stpeter, I'm impressed, actually, that you can review specs at ~6 minutes per page, though. I certainly can't.
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[20:35:14] <stpeter> dwd: I admit that I don't understand all that layer 3 kind of thing, but I do my best ;-)
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[20:36:33] <dwd> stpeter, MPLS?
[20:37:31] <dwd> stpeter, Not that I'm completely sure of even the acronym. :-)
[20:37:59] <stpeter> dwd: yes, MPLS, NSIS, etc.
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[20:38:49] <dwd> stpeter, Maybe I should write a convincing looking RFC extending some alphabet soup, and stick it through the IESG as an April 1st.
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[20:39:50] <stpeter> :)
[20:40:06] <stpeter> kind of like that physics paper that someone got published some years ago
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[20:41:03] <dwd> stpeter, I didn't hear about that. But yeah. Only trouble is I'd get killed by abstains.
[20:42:19] <stpeter> http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/weinberg.html
[20:42:21] <dwd> Right, time to retreat from the office to the Pseudohotel.
[20:43:08] <stpeter> http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html if you care for the original
[20:43:13] <stpeter> dwd: enjoy
[20:43:19] <stpeter> /me wanders off to heat up some lunc
[20:43:22] <stpeter> lunch even
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