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[10:36:26] <mitesh> Hello xepbot
[10:36:39] <mitesh> Hello
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[15:43:02] <Asterix> Hi bear42
[15:43:07] <Asterix> I just sent you a mail :)
[15:43:17] <Asterix> and you just replied ;)
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[15:46:59] <bear42> yea, sorry for the double reply
[15:47:14] <bear42> there are a lot of names and nicks that I have to learn :)
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[15:51:46] <bear> Asterix: just to confirm - is "yep" your gsoc id?
[15:52:04] <Asterix> no, gsoc ID is my email address
[15:52:20] <bear> I need the internal id - not the email
[15:52:31] <bear> the form is rejecting the email - an id doesn't have @ sign in it
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[15:52:55] <Asterix> ha ok, so remove the @dimain part and it's my ID
[15:52:56] <Kev> Asterix: go to the gsoc site, register as a mentor, and request to be added to the xsf project
[15:53:03] <Kev> It's much easier than having bear or me add you directly.
[15:53:08] <Asterix> ha I can request? I didn't know
[15:53:13] <bear> yea :)
[15:53:14] <Kev> You can.
[15:55:51] <Asterix> ok I did
[15:56:27] <bear> accepted
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[15:58:32] <Asterix> nice thanks!
[16:00:17] <bear> I just read the gajim proposal and now I see why you were interested in getting to that list :)
[16:00:28] <Kev> Asterix: no voting yet, though.
[16:00:56] <Asterix> sure no problem, we'll vote after we get all propositions
[16:01:09] <Asterix> bear: hehe yeah :)
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[16:14:42] <johnny> Asterix, would be nice to have a project for refactoring :(
[16:15:13] <johnny> i wonder if we can convince some organization to pay for refactoring, probably not for a summer project for a college student tho.. after all.. the point is to get them excited about open stuff
[16:15:36] <Asterix> yeah .. but that wouldn't benefit XSF that much. I'm not sure it's a good GSOC project. Moreover, steve-e did q good job in this area recently
[16:15:50] <xepbot> darkrain: Tobias told me to tell you - documentation bugs are usuall easy to fix; compared to complete the lack of a good API concept of the OpenSSL devs ;), however the memory bug..urgh Bork bork bork!
[16:16:07] <darkrain> Bork bork bork, to you too, xepbot.
[16:16:31] <johnny> Asterix, well.. it woudl be nice to get somebody onto profiling gajim.. it seems to take much too long to start nowadays..
[16:16:41] <johnny> perhaps it doesn't help that i have an inconsitent db :)
[16:16:51] <johnny> not sure if the db is set to autovacuum or not
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[16:17:19] <Asterix> no it doesn't vacuum automatically. else it would be unusable :)
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[16:24:03] <johnny> Asterix, i need to figure out how to make my db consistent again so i can vaccuum, but other folks have had problems with slower startup times as well
[16:24:22] <johnny> too much disk i/o.. we need somebody who can profile it
[16:26:27] <steve-e> hi
[16:26:36] <steve-e> just for curiosity: why vacuum?
[16:26:57] <steve-e> I mean, why should one want the db to be shrinked? I guess we only need that after deleting logs (in mass)
[16:27:34] <johnny> because it makes it faster..
[16:27:47] <johnny> but .. that is if our cache db is really full
[16:27:49] <steve-e> ah, you couldn't vacuum after the split?
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[16:27:59] <johnny> i don't know if i could before or not..
[16:28:14] <johnny> anyways.. the important thing is profiling what is causing all the disk i/o
[16:28:25] <johnny> i think it does too much
[16:28:48] <MattJ> btw, after the split opening history windows is almost instant for me :)
[16:28:54] <MattJ> No idea what happened there
[16:29:13] <steve-e> no no, not the split, must have been the new index :p
[16:29:26] <MattJ> I'd tried indexes before, and they hadn't really helped :/
[16:29:37] <MattJ> They did a bit, but they didn't make it instant
[16:29:44] <steve-e> Well there is a new one in there for some time
[16:29:53] <steve-e> We were doing full table scan all the time :-/
[16:29:58] <MattJ> I only upgraded to default recently
[16:30:05] <MattJ> (been on 0.13)
[16:31:07] <steve-e> johnny, try to disable "ask_avatars_on_startup"
[16:31:38] <steve-e> the cache implementation is not so good... So we access the disk for each time we need vcard and other stuff
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[16:38:04] <steve-e> johnny, ever tried it profiling on your own? Python profiling is not that difficult (well memory profiling sucks, but normal method stuff is easy)
[16:42:34] <johnny> i'm not really a python programmer still :)
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[16:51:31] <steve-e> johnny, profiling python code does not include writing python code :p
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[17:35:21] <darkrain> What does one use to profile python code?
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[17:36:41] <waqas> A python profiler.
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[17:37:32] <darkrain> :-P
[17:37:52] <waqas> http://docs.python.org/library/profile.html
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[17:38:38] <waqas> http://docs.python.org/library/hotshot.html looks interesting
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[18:43:19] <bear> is the "Justin" who sent a Mentor request online now?
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[18:44:46] <Tobias> bear: what justin do you mean?
[18:45:05] <Tobias> psi justin?
[18:45:13] <bear> don't know - I just have a request from "Justin"
[18:45:26] <bear> no last name or even an email saying "Hi, I just sent a request"
[18:46:32] <Tobias> then i don't know, psi's justin is online in psi room, if it is him
[18:46:39] <Tobias> but i might be some other justin
[18:46:51] <bear> what is the muc id for psi room?
[18:46:55] <bear> i'll join and ask
[18:47:31] <Tobias> psi@conference.psi-im.org
[18:47:32] <Fritzy> I think it's conference.psi-im.org
[18:47:40] <Tobias> his nick is infinity
[18:48:00] <bear> thanks
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[18:48:05] <Tobias> *infiniti
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[21:41:22] <McKael> Hi there
[21:41:48] <McKael> Would it make sense to include versions with the capabilities?
[21:42:21] <waqas> software version service discovery extension you mean?
[21:42:23] <McKael> I mean, features are not always backward compatible (I think)
[21:42:31] <McKael> waqas, yes
[21:42:49] <McKael> For example, the latest XEP-184 change
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[21:43:16] <waqas> That should cause the XEP-184 namespace to change IMO
[21:43:36] <McKael> It is easy to be compatible with older implementations in this case, but I'm just wondering about the general case.
[21:43:38] <darkrain> !xep 184
[21:43:39] <xepbot> XEP-0184: Message Receipts is Standards Track (Draft, 2007-09-26) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html
[21:43:47] <darkrain> waqas: +1
[21:44:05] <waqas> Look at stream management. No implementations, but the namespace is at version 2.
[21:44:41] <waqas> That's from 0 to 1 to 2.
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[21:45:52] <McKael> ok
[21:46:44] <McKael> Are we doing the same with other extensions?
[21:47:03] <waqas> I think we didn't used to, but that's the standard practice now.
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[21:47:26] <waqas> All new XEP namespaces are versioned.
[21:47:56] <waqas> (I mean they have a version number at the end as part of the namespace)
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[21:50:04] <McKael> Fine
[21:51:05] <McKael> Basically Jingle extensions
[21:51:45] <McKael> Thanks!
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