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[06:49:00] <john> are there any spectrum devs here?
[06:50:30] <john> I'm having an annoyance between Gajim and my Spectrum transports
[06:51:38] <john> everytime I log on, spectrum sends me <item action='add' ...></item> for all the roster items provided by the transport. So Gajim asks me everytime to add these items to my roster.
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[06:52:02] <john> Even if I accept and the items are added, I'm asked again on the next logon
[06:52:07] <john> Psi doesn't do this.
[06:52:15] <john> who's wrong, here?
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[06:52:46] <john> xkcd/386
[06:54:11] <Flo> john, I'd ask that in the spectrum channel
[06:54:50] <john> yeah, I wasn't sure if it was a transport or client issue
[06:54:52] <john> will do.
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[17:12:37] <Asterix> john: Transport should merge those requests in one shot, and once accepted you should not see it anymore ... if subscriptions are correctly handled in transport
[17:12:50] <snap> hello i am trying to implement jingle file transfer in chat client can someone clear my doubts
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[17:13:36] <stpeter> snap: ask away!
[17:13:40] <snap> first jingle is made modular so that plugins can be added to it like voice call video cal file transfer etc.
[17:14:19] <snap> so i should create a module that handles file tansfer when someone initiates file transfer using jingle??
[17:14:34] <snap> the project plan which i have thought is to first implement service discovery
[17:14:42] <snap> then file transfer
[17:14:57] <snap> then integrate it with the main sip communicator. <Snap> finally debug it
[17:15:23] <stpeter> you can certainly return an appropriate error for any Jingle application type other than file transfer
[17:15:38] <Kev> And Snap finally gives away that the above was a cut and paste from what he sent to me on IRC earlier :)
[17:15:47] <Kev> He was doing so well with the first 5 lines :)
[17:15:47] <stpeter> heh
[17:16:17] <snap> :D
[17:16:44] <snap> please help me i know this is not as difficult as it seems
[17:17:39] <snap> please refine my plan idea
[17:18:01] <snap> the program is in java so i will have to use the smack api
[17:18:30] <Kev> Smack already has some Jingle audio support. I don't know if it's compliant with the spec or not.
[17:18:40] <Kev> It might be worth looking into re-using the signalling from that.
[17:18:49] <snap> i am trying to have file transfer
[17:19:49] <snap> by the way the first 5 lines that i wrote earlier are they correct
[17:19:51] <snap> .
[17:24:31] <Kev> You're got the rough idea, yes.
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[17:27:25] <snap> pelase refine it
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[18:24:19] <stpeter> Kev: sorry about the confusion :) /me refers to his latest post on xmpp@ietf.org
[18:28:04] <Kev> Haha.
[18:28:43] <stpeter> I think it's better to be fully clear about it, rather than eliding any mention of the issue
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[18:31:15] <vasyok> hey!
[18:31:20] <vasyok> I would like to improve import/export system in openfire (make XEP-0227: Portable Import/Export Format) as gsoc-student.
[18:31:22] <stpeter> howdy
[18:31:27] <Kev> Hello.
[18:31:30] <vasyok> can anybody help me to contact project mentors? )
[18:31:40] <stpeter> hrm
[18:31:43] <stpeter> good question
[18:31:51] <Kev> vasyok: well, technically mentors don't get chosen until much later.
[18:31:52] <stpeter> let me poke my Openfire friends
[18:31:56] <stpeter> sure
[18:32:02] <Kev> stpeter: can you get them to join here, please?
[18:32:06] <stpeter> but we need to see if they're still available
[18:32:17] <Kev> It'd be good to get people chatting about gsoc in here, instead of in private.
[18:32:20] <bear> the openfire dude was on the mailing list earlier
[18:32:27] <Kev> bear: yes.
[18:32:34] <bear> so yea, let's get him into here :)
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[18:32:38] <stpeter> I just invited Gato
[18:32:42] <stpeter> magic!
[18:32:45] <stpeter> hi Gato!
[18:32:49] <bear> i've been pointing private emails about gsoc to here also
[18:32:50] <Kev> Hey Gato
[18:32:58] <gato> hey everyone
[18:33:00] <stpeter> /me is a big Gato fan :)
[18:33:05] <vasyok> hm) so can you say me what is better to do first -- submit the draft proposal or talk with mentor?
[18:33:10] <gato> ichat popped up an empty window and I accepted
[18:33:13] <gato> and now I'm here :)
[18:33:14] <stpeter> heh
[18:33:25] <Kev> vasyok: my first impression is that import/export is a very easy project that would need to be augmented with something else, jfyi.
[18:33:26] <vasyok> *I mean with community)
[18:33:37] <Kev> Ah, always talk with the community first, for all gsoc applicatinos.
[18:33:43] <Kev> +spelling
[18:33:47] <bear> vasyok: talk to community folk first - see if it is a gsoc scope problem
[18:33:49] <stpeter> gato: our new friend vasyok is interested in a Google Summer of Code project on Openfire
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[18:34:05] <bear> vasyok: as they are the ones who will be doing the mentoring
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[18:34:31] <gato> peter - yep, I see xep-227
[18:34:35] <gato> reading that xep
[18:34:36] <gato> hold on
[18:34:42] <vasyok> Kev: I thought, It can be not so easy
[18:35:58] <gato> peter - I like xep-227. Do you think that is enough for GSoC?
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[18:36:25] <gato> looks like a cool feature to me
[18:36:58] <gato> vasyok - so you are looking for a mentor for working on Openfire and implement XEP-227?
[18:37:25] <vasyok> gato: yes!
[18:38:50] <stpeter> gato: seems like a small feature for gsoc
[18:38:50] <vasyok> gato: can you be a mentor for this project?
[18:38:58] <stpeter> brb
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[18:39:33] <Kev> vasyok: You don't need a mentor yet (indeed, can't get a mentor yet)
[18:39:39] <gato> peter - yes. Besides storing in a file format could it be a good idea to allow a direct socket connection to the other server to import/export things?
[18:39:54] <MattJ> Yes, it would
[18:40:02] <MattJ> Been thinking of doing that :)
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[18:40:18] <gato> vasyok - yes, I think that I can do it. :)
[18:40:54] <gato> vasyok - besides implementing the XEP as it is we might also consider suggesting extensions (that make sense) to it and implement them
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[18:41:58] <android>
[18:43:28] <vasyok> gato: good, thx) so you mean to propose something like direct export to ejabber?
[18:43:45] <stpeter> haha
[18:43:45] <vasyok> and import :)
[18:44:08] <gato> vasyok - yes, it could be read/write from a file or read/write from a socket connection
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[18:44:52] <stpeter> gato: what other extensions would you like to see added to Openfire?
[18:44:56] <gato> vasyok - we also need to see if exporting other information makes sense too. eg. list of muc rooms and configurations
[18:45:32] <gato> peter - haven't been thinking about it. as you know I'm retired from the Openfire life for now
[18:45:35] <Kev> It certainly does.
[18:45:43] <gato> peter - but would be glad to help with the gsoc
[18:45:43] <stpeter> gato: yes
[18:46:17] <stpeter> gato: is the codebase still maintained? who are the maintainers now? is anyone handling patches?
[18:46:42] <gato> peter - guus is keeping the project alive and I think that other community members are helping too
[18:47:07] <gato> peter - yes, they are handling patches and about to release 3.7.0
[18:47:33] <stpeter> gato: that's good to hear
[18:47:47] <gato> agreed. :). someone is taking care of the baby ;)
[18:47:51] <stpeter> :)
[18:48:10] <stpeter> would it be better to contact guus about mentoring?
[18:48:15] <stpeter> he must be in my roster somewhere :)
[18:48:32] <gato> I'm fine doing the mentoring for xep-227
[18:48:56] <gato> would be nice to ping Guus to see if he has other ideas for gsoc and would like to mentor them too
[18:49:03] <stpeter> gato: agreed
[18:49:13] <Kev> We do have a bunch of ideas on the ideas page for Openfire.
[18:49:19] <Kev> I'm just not sure who the face behind the ideas is.
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[18:50:04] <gato> kev - url?
[18:50:11] <vasyok> gato: thanks a lot! I'll describe all my Ideas about XEP in my proposal and then I'll show to community to improving. Probably tomorrow)
[18:50:28] <Kev> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2010_Project_Ideas
[18:50:31] <gato> vasyok - sounds good to me
[18:50:36] <gato> kev - tks
[18:50:42] <Kev> vasyok: that sounds great, thanks.
[18:51:09] <gato> 'Network application framework porting from Apache MINA to Netty' --> talked with Safa about it
[18:51:43] <gato> seems like Netty will provide a big efficiency boost to Openfire.
[18:52:18] <Kev> Well, that sounds like a good project to sabotage. We don't want people using Openfire now ;)
[18:52:41] <MattJ> Muahaha
[18:52:56] <gato> kev - I see. :D
[18:53:01] <Kev> MattJ: or Prosody :p
[18:53:06] <MattJ> doh
[18:53:45] <stpeter> /me laughs
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[18:56:24] <stpeter> gato: if you need an account on the wiki so that you can edit that page, let us know
[18:57:26] <gato> peter - k.tks.
[18:58:08] <gato> peter - I remember we have to say somewhere that we were available as mentors. should I register somewhere?
[18:58:28] <stpeter> gato: consider yourself registered :)
[18:58:29] <Kev> gato: just let me know so I remember :)
[18:58:49] <gato> sweet. this is awesome!!! tks guys :D
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[18:58:57] <stpeter> gato: bear and Kev are running the show this summer because I'm too busy (or so I say!)
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[18:59:06] <gato> lol
[18:59:20] <stpeter> gato: don't feel you need to stick around, but we might invite you to re-join as needed, and please send guus over here sometime so we know who he is
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[19:00:39] <gato> peter - will do. thanks. l8r!
[19:00:52] <stpeter> gato: ciao!
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[19:02:55] <stpeter> brb again
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[19:10:46] <petermount1> /me is still having probs with jabber.org/google :-( sob...
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[19:25:18] <android> what is supposed to be at jabber.org/google
[19:26:40] <petermount1> I keep getting intermittently disconnected from conference.jabber.org from my google apps domain :-(
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[19:40:36] <Tobias> what could be the reason for my jabber.org account not being able to reach icq.ayena.de
[19:48:01] <petermount1> it can vary on a day by day basis - sometimes its fine all day, others it's virtually unusable. Can see it most often sitting in here - see the history repeatedly be sent to the client at random.
[19:48:16] <MattJ> !version petermount1
[19:48:16] <xepbot> MattJ: petermount1 is running Pidgin (version 2.6.2 (libpurple 2.6.2)) on an unknown OS
[19:48:38] <MattJ> petermount1 has 5pt text :)
[19:49:07] <petermount1> ah yes, for some reason pidgin does that, one mo will switch to psi (using pidgin for msn)
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[19:49:25] <MattJ> I'm sure you can tell Pidgin to send normal text
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[19:50:22] <petermount1> mattj: tried that - it's set to send normal but doesn't :-(
[19:51:12] <petermount1> /me only use pidgin for when I need to use msn for work
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[20:01:46] <android> !version android
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[20:02:03] <android> doh
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[20:02:06] <petermount1> whops ;-)
[20:02:28] <android> where is xepbot go?
[20:03:16] <android> is=did
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[20:03:58] <android> !version android
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[20:04:04] <android> oops
[20:04:15] <android> maybe I am killing it
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[20:04:57] <petermount1> either that or something about you is - like it's saying I'm on an unknown os, but this is a ubuntu netbook
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[20:06:29] <MattJ> petermount1, Pidgin doesn't report the OS
[20:06:36] <petermount1> ah
[20:07:04] <MattJ> android, not sure why it can't version you, but yes, it is prone to crashing at the moment
[20:07:12] <MattJ> Working on a new version (when I have time)
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[20:07:58] <darkrain> I know you can have Pidgin send normal-sized text ;)
[20:08:02] <android> I'm not sure if my client responds to version requests right now
[20:09:15] <petermount1> darkrain: I've got it configured to disable html formatting and standard font size - don't know where it's getting the 5pt value from
[20:10:23] <Tobias> darkrain: what did you write? i couldn't read it, the test was too small :P
[20:10:25] <darkrain> "Disable HTML formatting" only applies to incoming messages. I'd suggest highlighting all the text in the Default Formatting area and hitting Ctrl-R (Reset Formatting)
[20:10:32] <darkrain> !slap Tobias
[20:10:32] <xepbot> /me slaps Tobias around a bit with a wet trout
[20:10:38] <darkrain> .
[20:10:59] <darkrain> That's a problem with your client, then, Tobias! :-P <message type='groupchat' id='purple949f1c25' to='jdev@conference.jabber.org'><body>.</body></message>
[20:11:16] <Tobias> ;)
[20:11:30] <petermount1> hehe, noted will try it when I next use pidgin
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[20:42:02] <Kev> [20:48:01] <petermount1> it can vary on a day by day basis - sometimes its fine all day, others it's virtually unusable. Can see it most often sitting in here - see the history repeatedly be sent to the client at random. Certainly if you leave a room and rejoin it, all hell will break loose if you've got a gmail account. Could that be it?
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[20:44:24] <petermount1> kev: yes apart from it being a google apps domain rather than a plain gmail account. When it's causing a problem I can just be sitting in here and it appears to leave/rejoin.
[20:44:57] <petermount1> earlier today it was happening about 5-10 times an hour, yet a couple of days ago was stable as a rock
[20:45:33] <petermount1> doesn't appear to be either client or net connection from client as it happens with pidgin & psi and on two totally independent connections
[20:46:07] <darkrain> In that same gtalk session (using GAfYD vs. @gmail.com is immaterial), had you previously /parted from the room and rejoined? (without fully disconnecting)
[20:46:39] <petermount1> darkrain: nope
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[20:47:53] <stpeter> beautiful
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[20:48:08] <Kev> darkrain: you didn't have to demo :p
[20:48:12] <stpeter> petermount1: do you use the Google Talk client?
[20:48:13] <stpeter> heh
[20:48:19] <darkrain> I'm seeing if it happens to me :)
[20:48:25] <Kev> It happens to all GTalk users.
[20:48:31] <petermount1> no, either psi or pidgin
[20:49:18] <darkrain> /me apologizes
[20:49:24] <darkrain> Kev: Ah, that's a new "feature". Do you happen toknow when gtalk started sending unavailable presences?
[20:49:39] <stpeter> darkrain: no worries
[20:49:55] <Kev> It's happened for quite a long time.
[20:50:51] <darkrain> I thought there were only issues if one changed nick (or left/rejoined in the same session); I hadn't seen (until a few days ago) the type='unavailable' part.
[20:51:09] <Kev> Sorry, I just missed something.
[20:51:29] <Kev> What did you just try?
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[20:52:12] <darkrain> I tried joining from gmail. What I see (from this resource) is that I joined and then immediately sent the same presence except with type='unavailable'.
[20:52:19] <Kev> Oh.
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[20:52:21] <Kev> You didn't leave?
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[20:52:27] <darkrain> No.
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[20:52:49] <petermount1> I've just connected the google a/c...
[20:52:52] <darkrain> (I subsequently disconnect the account to keep Google from spamming everyone more :) )
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[20:55:23] <bear> sheesh - it won't even stay connected
[20:56:12] <petermount1> interesting, the last thing the google a/c has received was: <darkrain> I'm seeing if it happens to me
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[21:03:35] <petermount1> yep, it's done it twice in the last 7 mins :-S
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[21:15:57] <android> i see it too
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[21:18:46] <petermount1> yep. I've disconnected it to stop it spamming presences
[21:20:14] <android> klk has the same problem
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[23:49:25] <darkrain> !xmpp-im
[23:49:25] <xepbot> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3921bis
[23:49:45] <darkrain> !xmpp-core
[23:49:45] <xepbot> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis
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