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[11:19:56] <simon@buddycloud.com> could someone hook a brother up with a wiki account?
[11:20:29] <simon@buddycloud.com> re: "To obtain an account on this wiki, ask someone in the jdev@conference.jabber.org <xmpp:jdev@conference.jabber.org?join> chatroom for help (sorry, we don't allow open registration because we're trying to avoid the spammers)."
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[11:22:06] <Kev> simon: on a call at the moment. I /think/ I can do so later.
[11:22:47] <simon@buddycloud.com> thanks. simon@buddycloud.com will reach me.
[11:23:07] <Kev> xmpp?
[11:23:13] <simon@buddycloud.com> email and xmpp
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[14:01:50] <valexey> What windows xmpp client supports jingle?
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[14:08:39] <møøse> valexey, google talk?
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[14:09:18] <Zash> Most other clients use gstreamer right?
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[14:09:39] <møøse> yeah i think so
[14:09:52] <Zash> at least pidgin and gajim
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[14:10:36] <møøse> and telepathy too afaik
[14:10:42] <Zash> Don't know what psi uses
[14:10:43] <valexey> pidgin for windows doesn't support audio/video calls.
[14:10:59] <valexey> psi uses psimedia, psimedia uses gstreamer :-)
[14:11:11] <Zash> Ah
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[14:22:30] <valexey> Can't call from psi 0.14 (windows) to Pidgin 2.6.6 (linux) via gmail (both side use XXX@gmail.com account).
[14:23:08] <valexey> Pidgin ignores incoming call.
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[14:34:03] <johnny> valexey, then go to the pidgin support .. this isn't it
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[14:34:10] <johnny> and psi..
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[14:36:51] <valexey> and XEP-0166 ?
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[18:47:21] <stpeter> MattJ: I see your point about 'id' in XEP-0184
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[18:48:11] <MattJ> Yeah
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[18:48:41] <MattJ> How to handle ids is (I think) rather vague at the moment
[18:48:48] <MattJ> Maybe not so in bis, I'd need to re-read
[18:49:23] <stpeter> it's better in bis
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[18:49:48] <stpeter> but yes I think that you and Remko are right here
[18:51:21] <MattJ> I don't know if the answer is putting the id inside the receipt, I guess it's the cleanest solution
[18:51:29] <stpeter> yes I think it is
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[18:51:52] <MattJ> Kev and I have been discussing an idea for a XEP that works a similar way
[18:52:07] <stpeter> brb
[18:52:11] <MattJ> It would allow an entity to say "Replace the message I sent you with id X with this message"
[18:52:16] <stpeter> ah
[18:52:20] <stpeter> chat with Florian about that
[18:52:28] <stpeter> he sent me an initial proposal about such a thing
[18:52:32] <MattJ> allowing Skype-like typo correction, and some simple Wave-like functionality
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[21:22:51] <evilotto> what is the purpose of SASL on a S2S connection? That is, what is it authenticating against?
[21:23:32] <evilotto> (it's not clear to me from the rfc)
[21:23:40] <stpeter> typically a certificate
[21:23:53] <stpeter> so that you can do mutual authentication
[21:24:01] <stpeter> it's not password-based auth
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[21:25:36] <evilotto> What certificate? Not a SSL certificate, right? (that would be used by TLS)
[21:26:19] <Fritzy> evilotto: that's only one way, AFAIK
[21:26:37] <stpeter> TLS + SASL EXTERNAL
[21:29:04] <evilotto> Allow me to rephrase my question in the form of a question pertaining to what I actually want to do: I want to set up a server that can interoperate with others. Obviously, my server needs to prove that it is who it says it is. Option 1 is to use dialback, where DNS is trusted to tell the other server where I am so that it can check for itself. Option 2 is to use TLS, where I obtain a certificate from mumble stating that I am in fact, "otto.ev.il". Option 3 is to use SASL, by which I do ???
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[21:31:03] <stpeter> evilotto: there are only two options
[21:31:10] <stpeter> (1) dialback
[21:31:22] <stpeter> (2) TLS + SASL EXTERNAL using certificates
[21:31:53] <stpeter> I suppose there is also (3) TLS + dialback (but it is not well documented)
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[21:33:40] <evilotto> so the example of using DIGEST-MD5 in rfc3920 is confusing/wrong/meaningless?
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[21:34:09] <stpeter> is there an s2s example of DIGEST-MD5 in RFC 3920? ick
[21:34:22] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-05 is better
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[21:34:36] <stpeter> see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-05#section-10.2
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[21:34:49] <evilotto> I was looking at http://rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/3920/chapter6.html#sub6
[21:35:00] <stpeter> see also http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0178.html
[21:35:14] <stpeter> please refer to 3920bis when possible, it has so many corrections
[21:38:03] <johnny> when will it stop being bis?
[21:38:25] <evilotto> hr, I came to it through http://xmpp.org/protocols/
[21:38:33] <stpeter> now that we've decided to pull out the addressing stuff, that should happen in the next few months
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