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[01:22:42] <guysoft> hey all, might anyone have a small headless client, that can login and list all the users statues?
[01:23:16] <louiz’> users= participants in a MUC or contacts in the roster?
[01:23:56] <guysoft> louiz’: contacts in the roster i think . to scan all the status of contacts in gtalk for instance
[01:24:27] <guysoft> i need some client, hopefully something not too complex. i dont want to waste time on this little idea
[01:24:49] <guysoft> louiz’: is there some standard api? like a python bot that can do this?
[01:26:26] <louiz’> There are some easy-to-use library (in python, I would say SleekXMPP) that can do that (with a little code)
[01:27:05] <guysoft> louiz’: looking at it
[01:27:17] <guysoft> louiz’: did you have any experience with it?
[01:27:33] <louiz’> Yes, I'm developping a console client in python, using this library
[01:27:44] <louiz’> and I contribute to it, too.
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[01:33:22] <guysoft> louiz’: ok, i got the echobot online, might you know how i can get a list of the users that are connected?
[01:33:27] <guysoft> louiz’: :)
[01:34:02] <guysoft> i need to do something long the lines : for user in roster: print user.status()
[01:35:21] <louiz’> self.xmpp.add_event_handler("got_online" , on_got_online)
[01:35:27] <louiz’> oh, nope
[01:35:34] <louiz’> well, yes
[01:35:43] <guysoft> louiz’: no its not an event handler, its a linear thing
[01:36:10] <guysoft> louiz’: er is there a reference list to the functionally anywhere?
[01:36:29] <louiz’> Well, when you connect to your account, you receive one-by-one who is connected, as if they'd just logged in as well.
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[01:36:52] <louiz’> a reference list? Like self.xmpp.add_event_handler("got_online" , self.on_got_online) ?
[01:36:54] <guysoft> louiz’: ah i see your point
[01:36:55] <louiz’> FUCK.
[01:37:04] <louiz’> https://github.com/fritzy/SleekXMPP/wiki/ this
[01:37:17] <guysoft> louiz’: no i meant a reference to the API :)
[01:37:20] <guysoft> yes that it :)
[01:37:57] <guysoft> louiz’: hmm, jsut a note - it seems it the client starts up fine on jabber.org. but gmail is timing out. how do you make it connect on SSL?
[01:38:26] <louiz’> it's using SSL if available. But gmail will require you to have dnspython too
[01:38:53] <louiz’> because gmail.com use an SRV DNS record, and that's resolved using the optional dnspython library
[01:42:23] <guysoft> louiz’: so assuming i have dnspython (a lib?) should it work out of the box?
[01:42:38] <louiz’> I think so, yes
[01:44:45] <guysoft> louiz’: ok good, got it.. now how do i pull from the event object the status?
[01:46:16] <louiz’> def on_got_online(presence): print "%s is %s" (presence['from'], presence['type'],)
[01:46:27] <louiz’> will print "jid@server.tld is online" or whatever, I think
[01:46:33] <louiz’> If I remember correctly
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[01:48:06] <guysoft> louiz’: ah its a dict?
[01:50:16] <louiz’> not really, it's a Presence object, with a method (cannot remember the name) that defines how object[] reacts :p
[01:50:33] <guysoft> ok, sure
[01:50:53] <guysoft> File "echo_client.py", line 70, in on_got_online print "%s is %s" (presence['from'], presence['type'],)
[01:50:56] <guysoft> acting bad
[01:51:06] <guysoft> TypeError: 'str' object is not callable
[01:51:25] <louiz’> print "%s is %s" % (presence['from'], presence['type'],)
[01:51:29] <louiz’> typo :p
[01:51:49] <louiz’> cannot remember if it presence['type'] or presence['show'], try both
[01:52:11] <guysoft> nm got it
[01:52:17] <louiz’> ok :)
[01:52:59] <louiz’> (I see a lot of « cannot remember »in my sentences, I should improve my memory :()
[01:53:37] <guysoft> louiz’: both show and type say if someone is online away, etc, i need their status messaege ('status' does not work)
[01:54:19] <louiz’> presence['status'] should do it :/
[01:54:46] <guysoft> nope
[01:54:53] <guysoft> ah no wait it does
[01:55:02] <louiz’> Well, I do it in my client, I just checked
[01:55:03] <guysoft> i just had too many people with no status
[01:55:08] <louiz’> aha, OK ;)
[01:55:26] <louiz’> So, you've got what you needed? :)
[01:58:25] <guysoft> louiz’: yes, and just under 10 mins.. well done!
[01:58:33] <louiz’> yay, I'm glad :)
[01:59:02] <guysoft> so am i, would not have done it without you
[01:59:06] <guysoft> thanks!
[01:59:18] <louiz’> you're welcome
[02:01:46] <guysoft> louiz’: ah one more thing - gtalk, i was testing on jabber because its a sane network
[02:02:17] <louiz’> uh, what?
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[02:03:11] <guysoft> louiz’: i need to get the SSL working , the point is
[02:04:13] <guysoft> https://groups.google.com/group/sleekxmpp-discussion/browse_thread/thread/1fea2ae2584ff870 foudn it
[02:04:49] <louiz’> ok :p
[02:06:27] <guysoft> heck, can't get that to work
[02:07:48] <guysoft> ERROR Could not connect to gmail.com:5222. Socket Error #110: Connection timed out
[02:08:43] <guysoft> /me reads code comments
[02:10:01] <louiz’> well, don't know about that, exactly, sorry
[02:10:35] <guysoft> louiz’: you did more than i would have expected from a random stranger ;)
[02:11:33] <louiz’> :D
[02:11:46] <louiz’> ok, then I can sleep in peace
[02:22:07] <guysoft> soleved
[02:22:09] <guysoft> night
[02:25:28] <louiz’> night
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[06:01:46] <Koluche> Hi evry body.@}->--
[06:02:22] <Koluche> God morning.8-D
[06:03:53] <Koluche> Whay dont talk with me?:-(
[06:04:34] <Koluche> Im sad;-|
[06:04:55] <Koluche> Pleas talk me.
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[09:09:03] <Koluche> marissalee: hi.@}->--
[09:10:03] <Koluche> marissalee: where are u from?
[09:11:10] <Koluche> louiz’:hi.:-(
[09:11:42] <Koluche> Please talk me.
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[14:36:10] <reeed> perhaps he's LOTE
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[18:33:37] <Jeff~> hallo jugen und madchen
[18:34:05] <Jeff~> where do i go to talk about gajim
[18:43:00] <louiz’> Jeff~, gajim@conference.gajim.org
[18:43:24] <Jeff~> oh, thanks ;)
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[21:07:38] <nixon62512> Hello?
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[21:11:06] <naw> hi
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[21:43:33] <nixon62512> Hm, I seem to not be able to chat using Pidgin.
[21:43:46] <nixon62512> I mean this chat room here. Chatting to other XMPP-people works.
[21:44:22] <nixon62512> Can you recommend a good XMPP client for Windows 7?
[21:49:40] <darkrain> This room works just fine in Pidgin. How are you trying, and how is it failing?
[21:51:09] <louiz’> Pidgin is a good XMPP client for Windows 7. I would also recommend Gajim
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[22:10:27] <nixon62512> Well, it fails in that when I press Enter, what I type is not send to the channel.
[22:10:42] <nixon62512> Also, I think that I don't see what others are typing (though it could be that nobody is talking in here)
[22:11:10] <nixon62512> I'll try to connect with Pidgin again. My Nickname will be "RedNifre". If I'm unable to chat I will come back here using the web interface.
[22:12:16] <nixon62512> hm, now it's not even opening the chat.
[22:12:27] <nixon62512> I try to disconnect the web chat first.
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[22:15:39] <hayes41103> Hm, can't enter it using pidgin, when I try to join, nothing happens at all (no error message)
[22:15:53] <darkrain> You already appear to be in the room with that nickname, so try a different one.
[22:17:03] <hayes41103> oh, how odd.
[22:17:20] <hayes41103> Also, I just noticed that my Pidgin version is 0.0.7 versions behind the newest one.
[22:17:59] <hayes41103> guess I update first.
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[22:23:08] <hayes41103> Does not work with the newest version.
[22:23:39] <hayes41103> Maybe I'm doing something wrong here. I have my JID at gmail.com. What's the proper way to join this chat using Pidgin?
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[22:24:11] <Kev> You're going to get strange behaviour if you join MUCs from a gmail.com account.
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[22:24:19] <hayes41103> :(
[22:24:24] <hayes41103> That sucks. Why is that?
[22:24:41] <Kev> The gmail.com service does some strange things.
[22:24:45] <darkrain> There seems to be something up w/ the gmail<>jabber.org federation atm, too
[22:24:59] <Kev> Like telling the chatroom that you want to rejoin it every five minutes - even if you're already in it.
[22:25:12] <Kev> And if you leave a room, I think it then force-rejoins you to it a few minutes later.
[22:25:18] <Kev> Strange stuff.
[22:25:28] <Kev> darkrain: Ah, is there?
[22:25:50] <Kev> A quick check showed it working just now.
[22:25:59] <hayes41103> hmpf. So I guess I basically need one XMPP account per server, like with all the legacy protocols. That completely defeats the purpose of XMPP.
[22:26:04] <Kev> No.
[22:26:07] <hayes41103> hm, it's working for you?
[22:26:13] <Kev> An account on any server other than gmail is likely to work.
[22:26:18] <Kev> It's just that one server that does strange things.
[22:26:28] <hayes41103> great, and I just picked that one.
[22:26:47] <darkrain> Kev: I was able to join (and get scrollback history), but then couldn't see any new messages, couldn't see that nick in here from this nick, and couldn't send messages
[22:26:48] <hayes41103> Okay, what about GMX? Is that known to work perfectly?
[22:27:05] <hayes41103> darkrain: that's exactly what I got.
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[22:27:21] <hayes41103> So it's certain that GMail is the problem.
[22:27:26] <hayes41103> Guess I try GMX now...
[22:27:33] <darkrain> hayes41103: That's not the "normal" failure mode for gmail, but it has happened before.
[22:27:56] <Tobias> gmx should work, they use ejabberd IIRC
[22:28:03] <darkrain> !version gmx.net
[22:28:09] <darkrain> ...oops, this isn't the prosody muc
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[22:29:39] <darkrain> .
[22:30:42] <darkrain> The room thinks I'm not in here: (14:30:01) jabber: Sending (ssl) (me@gmail.com/...): <message type='groupchat' id='purple72f828f6' to='jabber@conference.jabber.org'><body>.</body></message> (14:30:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(227): <message from="jabber@conference.jabber.org" to="me@gmail.com/..." type="error" id="purple72f828f6"><error code="406" type="modify"><not-acceptable xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas"/></error></message>
[22:32:22] <hayes41103> Hm, I can't get in using GMX either.
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[22:32:49] <notKev> Can get in fine from my server.
[22:32:56] <notKev> What problem do you get from GMX?
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[22:33:25] <hayes41103> Well, pidgin simply does nothing when i try to join, not even an error.
[22:33:47] <hayes41103> This is on Windows 7 using the latest Pidgin (2.7.8)
[22:33:57] <hayes41103> Guess I just boot into Ubuntu and see what happens there.
[22:33:58] <hayes41103> brb
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[22:34:16] <Kev> s2s between jabber.org and gmx.net seems fine.
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[22:43:05] <clinton53443> hm.
[22:43:20] <clinton53443> it's me again.
[22:43:30] <clinton53443> Pidgin in Ubuntu can't connect, either.
[22:43:48] <clinton53443> Could it be that my GMail account somehow blocks my GMX account?
[22:43:57] <clinton53443> (I don't know much about the technical details of XMPP)
[22:44:26] <clinton53443> Hm, I could try to come in here with my facebook account. Is Facebook XMPP reliable?
[22:44:32] <clinton53443> Or is it as bad as Google?
[22:44:41] <Kev> Facebook don't federate with the rest of the network.
[22:44:57] <clinton53443> I lack the technical knowledge to understand that.
[22:45:09] <clinton53443> uhm, does it mean you can only chat to other facebook users?
[22:45:18] <Kev> It does.
[22:45:36] <clinton53443> how aweful.
[22:48:39] <clinton53443> hm, I get a failing certificate with GMX: the XMPP server is said xmpp-gmx.gmx.net, but the certificate identifies it as gmx.de. My email address is with german gmx.de.
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[22:49:38] <clinton53443> this is very frustrating.
[22:50:12] <clinton53443> Anyway, how do these chat rooms work exactly? Are they on a server, or is it basically peer to peer between the clients? Could I open my own chat room?
[22:51:51] <clinton53443> Pidgin does not list any rooms on jabber.org
[22:52:12] <darkrain|gmail> The conference server is "conference.jabber.org", not "jabber.org"
[22:52:26] <clinton53443> ok, but what's the room here?
[22:52:33] <darkrain|gmail> jabber@conference.jabber.org
[22:52:43] <darkrain|gmail> oh hey, now gmail is working for me...
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[22:53:42] <kuerzel> test
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[22:53:50] <RedNifre|GMX> testtest?
[22:53:53] <clinton53443> seems to work
[22:53:57] <clinton53443> yay!
[22:54:12] <RedNifre|GMX> Okay, now let's see if GMail works, too...
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[22:55:34] <RedNifre|GMX> uh, looks like an instant disconnect.
[22:55:45] <RedNifre|GMX> ...but you said GMail works for you?
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[22:56:21] <clinton53443> quitting
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[22:56:35] <darkrain> Yes, but you need to be way more specific about what "instant disconnect" means...
[22:58:19] <RedNifre|GMX> Okay: in this pidgin chat window (GMX), I saw "RedNifre|GMail" join and instantly leave. In the other chat window (GMail) I see the most recent chat history, but can't type anything. I'm not shown as disconnected.
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[22:58:32] <RedNifre|GMX> now I saw GMail join again?
[22:58:37] <RedNifre|GMail> test?
[22:58:50] <RedNifre|GMail> okay, seems to somewhat work.
[22:59:00] <RedNifre|GMail> I'll leave and try to come back here...
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[22:59:38] <RedNifre|GMX> hm, same problem.
[22:59:50] <RedNifre|GMX> Did you guys see the join/leave problem?
[23:00:02] <RedNifre|GMX> I guess it'll autoconnect any moment now...
[23:00:19] <darkrain> Between tests, fully disconnect and reconnect your gtalk account, or you fall victim to the issues Kev was describing
[23:00:44] <RedNifre|GMX> okay, I'll try that...
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[23:01:23] <RedNifre|GMX> doesn't help
[23:01:44] <RedNifre|GMX> Let me test GMX again...
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[23:01:48] <darkrain> Then close the window, disconnect/reconnect your account, open the Help->Debug Window, and then join the room and pastebin the Debug Window output.
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[23:03:04] <RedNifre|GMX> ...
[23:03:12] <RedNifre|GMX> works.
[23:03:29] <RedNifre|GMX> Could somebody say something for testing purpose?
[23:04:25] <darkrain> No.
[23:05:00] <RedNifre|GMX> Not thanking you!
[23:05:42] <RedNifre|GMX> Okay, I don't understand why GMail works for you and not for me, but I guess I don't have to care about that and instead just use GMX for MUCs.
[23:07:07] <RedNifre|GMX> So, basically only pure IM is mandatory, wether or not the extra features (like MUC) work is hit or miss, depending on the servers, right?
[23:08:06] <Kev> Not really. Any server implementing the standards will work with MUC too.
[23:08:18] <Kev> The problem is that gmail does something that's broken.
[23:08:23] <Kev> And this breaks MUCs.
[23:08:28] <RedNifre|GMX> What are the mandatory features?
[23:08:54] <Kev> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-22 and http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3921bis-18
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[23:08:55] <RedNifre|GMX> First: Thank you all for your great help in solving my MUC problem! :)
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[23:11:06] <RedNifre|GMX> How hard is it to create a basic XMPP client, compared to creating a basic email client?
[23:11:52] <Kev> I've only ever implemented XMPP clients, not mail clients.
[23:12:10] <Kev> Although mail is a group of protocols, which makes it a bit more difficult to pin down what a mail client means :)
[23:15:05] <RedNifre|GMX> You know, sending plain text/html, worrying about encoding, adding attachments in base64 etc. How would the previous sentence look for XMPP?
[23:15:56] <darkrain> Content is plain by default, and there's a specification for XHTML-IM markup (which must be valid XHTML, so no need for narsty HTML parsers). Everything is UTF8.
[23:16:26] <darkrain> Sending files (or any binary content) in-stream does require base64-encoding, but there are specifications for (out-of-band) file transfer.
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[23:18:15] <RedNifre|GMX> Sounds doable. What would you say is the most difficult part about writing a totally basic XMPP client?
[23:20:55] <Kev> Realising that it's better to use someone else's :)
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[23:23:54] <RedNifre|GMX> I'm looking for a simple explanation of XMPP, the official specifications are way too big and the Wikipedia article is too small. Is there a simple intro for laypeople?
[23:24:11] <Kev> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596521271
[23:24:44] <RedNifre|GMX> no, I'm looking for something for users now.
[23:25:02] <RedNifre|GMX> I'm the first XMPP user in my peer group, I did not get a friendly introduction.
[23:25:16] <RedNifre|GMX> All I know is from the Wikipedia article, which only covers the basic IM part.
[23:25:43] <RedNifre|GMX> I'm specifically looking for how exactly MUCs work and how I would go about creating my own channel.
[23:25:47] <Kev> Well, roughly, XMPP is a protocol for switching small packets of XML
[23:26:11] <Kev> And it has these packets (stanzas) defined for messaging inbuilt.
[23:26:51] <Kev> But that's not exactly user friendly.
[23:26:59] <Kev> And it really doesn't do it justice.
[23:27:22] <RedNifre|GMX> I'm more looking for "Well, XMPP multi user chat is basically like IRC in that the channel is on a server, but you can only create a new room on the server you have your account on, but people from other servers can join, too"
[23:27:55] <Kev> Well, "XMPP gives you the same interoperability to chatting as you get with E-Mail."
[23:29:47] <RedNifre|GMX> who can create rooms and where?
[23:29:56] <louiz’> RedNifre|GMX, you can create a room (equivalent of Channel) on any server that lets you do so (approximately all of them), with any account, and everyone can join if you let them
[23:30:02] <Kev> Anyone, and anywhere that allows them to.
[23:31:21] <RedNifre|GMX> Is there no good "XMPP guide for the average user" out there somewhere?
[23:31:40] <Kev> Well, is there a good "HTTP guide for the average user"?
[23:31:57] <Kev> XMPP's a protocol, average users don't care about protocols.
[23:32:28] <RedNifre|GMX> Yes, it's "Type the URL in the address bar, HTTP is unencrypted, HTTPS is encrypted and the URL ends in server.countrycode"
[23:32:45] <RedNifre|GMX> Sure, I'm not talking about the protocol. I'm talking about what you can do with it.
[23:33:43] <RedNifre|GMX> HTTP, while being a complex protocol, is easy to use for the average user, if they know what they can do with it.
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[23:34:50] <RedNifre|GMX> I mean, XMPP allows me to create a channel, become the boss of that channel and make it invite only, but I'd like to see an easy tutorial about the steps required to do that.
[23:35:07] <RedNifre|GMX> Maybe this channel is the wrong place for what I'm asking for.
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[23:37:03] <RedNifre|GMX> It's just that I'm the first person I know that uses XMPP and I'm feeling lost.
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[23:49:51] <RedNifre|GMX> So, if I want to use an ICQ transport, I have to trust the transport Server with my ICQ login... how to find a trustworthy, reliable ICQ transport server?
[23:50:27] <Kev> I wouldn't trust any such server that I didn't run myself.
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[23:55:36] <RedNifre|GMX> How did you solve the problem, that some of your friends only use ICQ and can't be reasoned with?