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[01:21:11] <johnson20516> Lets start with - i'm brand new to this so have no idea what I'm doing. I registered my account and downloaded citron im. When i try to log in, i see the status bar but after 5 minutes, I'm still not signed in. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[01:21:37] <louiz’> nope
[01:23:01] <johnson20516> Here's a good one. How did I become Johnson20516? That's not me.
[01:23:56] <louiz’> what client are you using ?
[01:25:12] <waqas> Speeqe (the web chat website you are using) gives you a random nickname.
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[01:27:26] <harrison55449> Louiz, Im using Citron IM Thank you wagas
[01:27:49] <louiz’> You're not, currently… You're using speeqe, that's why you get this nick
[01:28:40] <louiz’> But, on Citron IM, you do not have any error message ?
[01:28:49] <harrison55449> I see what you're saying. It's Citron IM that I'm trying to sign in to Jabber with
[01:29:16] <louiz’> yes, ok. But we cannot help if you do not give more details…
[01:30:01] <harrison55449> Sorry, I don't get it. What more can I tell you? I really do want/need your help
[01:31:45] <louiz’> What happens when you try to log-on with Citron IM ? Do you get an error message? Does it seems to "load" forever?
[01:32:25] <harrison55449> there's a green status bar that keep going round and round....no error message etc
[01:32:52] <harrison55449> it says logging in below the bar but it never does
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[01:48:58] <johnson20516> Oh well, I'm off to dinner. I'll try again later
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[01:49:45] <louiz’> I cannot help you if there no message.And I don't know this client
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[01:53:51] <johnson20516> Thanks for trying. Do you know if I need to make an exception in my firewall for a client to be able to work? What client do you suggest?
[01:55:41] <louiz’> No, you do not need
[01:56:05] <louiz’> I'll suggest Gajim. Many people like it and it has a lot of features
[01:56:20] <louiz’> are you using windows ?
[01:56:43] <MattJ> A firewall exception may very well be necessary
[01:56:50] <MattJ> depending on how restrictive it is
[01:57:26] <louiz’> well, of course, but usually, firewall do not block that kind of traffic by default.
[01:57:33] <waqas> Your client needs to connect to jabber.org on port 5222 (assuming you are using the jabber.org server).
[01:57:41] <louiz’> I doubt it is the case. Except if you're at school or work…
[01:57:59] <MattJ> louiz’, most Windows firewalls block *all* outgoing by default
[01:58:06] <MattJ> You have to authorize each application
[01:58:53] <louiz’> But, in that case the firewall asks « do you want to authorize this application? » and people always click yes :p
[01:58:53] <waqas> I have my firewall configured to do that :)
[01:59:12] <louiz’> Ok, ok, you're right then :p*
[02:00:11] <johnson20516> I allowed it but I still can't connect. When I close out I get the message unable or not finished importing the profile.
[02:10:53] <waqas> It's probably some issue with centrim's configuration. And it's not being helpful by giving you a proper error message.
[02:11:21] <waqas> Use a different client. Windows? Try Pandion or Swift or Pidgin.
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[03:35:55] <Milan.in> *ELKA* *santa* Xmas greetings *PODAROK*
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[11:21:29] <Nÿco> fyi, OneTeam has unique features: http://www.process-one.net/en/blogs/article/oneteam_desktop_unique_features_highlight/
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[11:25:37] <Kev> Oh, you have correction, I didn't know that.
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[11:36:20] <Nÿco> yes, but we had it before your protoXEP, please push it, and we'll base our implementation on this XEP ;-)
[11:36:43] <Nÿco> Swift has it also?
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[11:43:11] <Kev> Not yet, I've been trying to get 1.0 ready.
[11:44:21] <Kev> I might have a look after I finish my current Swift task, then.
[11:44:40] <Kev> I didn't really want to push the protoXEP until there was an implementation.
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[12:15:51] <Tanguy> Another news: SIP Communicator implements Jingle with audio and video.
[12:16:03] <Kev> Cool.
[12:16:21] <Tanguy> I think it is the first portable software to do that. Specially for Microsoft Windows.
[12:16:26] <Tanguy> <http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Main/News>
[12:16:44] <Kev> Yes, could well be.
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[12:25:44] <davemarkmatthews> <Tanguy> <http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Main/News>
[12:25:50] <davemarkmatthews> ?
[12:26:24] <davemarkmatthews> can anyone tell me how to make call to msn and gmail contacts
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[13:21:08] <Nÿco> Tanguy: in fact, OneTeam does voice over Jingle and Jingle Nodes since... a long time! Demoed at FOSDEM last year
[13:28:05] <Link Mauve> I remember.
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[13:33:10] <Tanguy> Lacks visibility then.
[13:34:12] <Link Mauve> Tanguy, it was a private beta for a long time.
[13:44:17] <Nÿco> yep
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[18:36:09] <Travis> how does one turn off the repeating?
[18:36:52] <Travis> I realize it's probably intended as a convenience, but I keep thinking someone has said something when they have not
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[18:38:23] <MattJ> You use a server that isn't broken
[18:38:54] <MattJ> Sadly gmail.com re-sends the join request to the chatroom every 5 minutes or so
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[18:40:30] <Travis> oh i see. thanks mattj
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[18:52:22] <Kev> You can, I think, work around it, if you're using a client that lets you send XML manualy.
[18:52:22] <Kev> +l
[18:53:21] <Travis> I don't know of such a feature in Pidgin
[18:55:54] <Travis> still, i'm interested to know what such xml might look like. do you have a link?
[18:56:23] <naw> pidgin has a plugin to see the xml
[18:56:39] <naw> but I don't remember if it allow to send
[18:56:55] <naw> about the xml examples, you can take a look tothe protocol specs
[18:57:04] <Kev> Travis: <presence to="jabber@conference.jabber.org/Travis"/> should be enough, I think.
[18:57:38] <Kev> Although I'm just guessing, based upon guesses of how the Google server works, based on observation of people who use it :)
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[19:25:03] <Travis> Kev: well just pasting that into the box didn't seem to make any change
[19:26:09] <Kev> Shame.
[19:26:20] <Travis> thanks though
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[20:27:24] <miamiatty> Hi, anyone here who can answer a question about offline messages not being received?
[20:28:17] <stpeter> hi
[20:28:23] <Kev> On jabber.org they're only delivered if you come online before the server is restarted - it was restarted this afternoon.
[20:28:41] <miamiatty> it restarts periodically?
[20:28:42] <stpeter> Kev: aren't you at a Christmas party or something right now? :)
[20:28:49] <stpeter> miamiatty: not on purpose :)
[20:28:50] <Kev> I'm not.
[20:28:55] <stpeter> Kev: ah, ok
[20:28:56] <Kev> Well, not always on purpose, anyway.
[20:29:12] <stpeter> /me defers to Kev, who is so much more precise :)
[20:29:29] <miamiatty> I hibernated my computer at 10pm last night. A friend sent several IM's around 3am to me. I woke up the computer at 9:30am this morning but never got the messages.
[20:29:43] <miamiatty> Eastern time
[20:29:48] <Kev> Depending on your time zone, that's expected.
[20:29:56] <Kev> Yes, it would have restarted between 10pm and 9:30am your time.
[20:30:17] <miamiatty> okay, so it depends on if the server is restarted as to if I lose any offline messages
[20:30:34] <Kev> Correct.
[20:30:56] <miamiatty> and the server being restarted is something that happens from time to time, no specific time or date, just when needed.
[20:31:30] <miamiatty> is this correct also?
[20:31:34] <Kev> Right, we don't tend to schedule these things except when it's needed - either because of a failure or an upgrade, typically.
[20:31:39] <miamiatty> okay
[20:31:50] <Kev> It'll probably be going down overnight tonight for an upgrade.
[20:32:51] <Kev> Sometime, early next year hopefully, we'll upgrade to a new version of the software, and we'll keep offline messages between restarts.
[20:33:11] <miamiatty> is there a page that shows the status/uptime?
[20:33:19] <Kev> There isn't.
[20:33:19] <Travis> what software do you use, by the way?
[20:33:25] <Kev> M-Link.
[20:33:27] <miamiatty> and are the restarts happening more often do you think?
[20:33:34] <Kev> More often than what?
[20:33:45] <miamiatty> say the last couple weeks
[20:33:58] <miamiatty> I've noticed it more in the last couple weeks, but that could be coincidence.
[20:34:05] <Kev> Well, it's typically once every two weeks or so.
[20:34:18] <Kev> I think it's been twice in the last two weeks.
[20:35:03] <miamiatty> okay. Last question - any rough idea when that upgrade might occur?
[20:35:34] <Kev> Which?
[20:35:43] <miamiatty> the upgrade that preserves offline messages?
[20:35:47] <Kev> The overnight one is likely to be sometime early working morning UK time.
[20:36:00] <Kev> No.
[20:36:28] <miamiatty> okay. Thanks for the info. It's a great service!
[20:36:40] <Kev> We aim to please :)
[20:38:30] <stpeter> hey, that's my line ;-)
[20:40:11] <miamiatty> lol
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[23:11:14] <niekie> Evening folks :)
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[23:11:56] <niekie> Skype is down, so I hope you all have a very Jingle-y christmas ;)
[23:12:05] <stpeter> heh
[23:12:47] <stpeter> personally I'm pushing to submit draft-ietf-xmpp-3921bis-18 before the end of the day here, no time for Jingly fun
[23:12:57] <niekie> Aw.
[23:13:56] <niekie> I personally really would like to try out that Multi-User Jingle thing out once soon (Muji or something).
[23:14:20] <niekie> Personally I liked "Mingle" better, but they didn't name it that for some reason (don't know why though) :P
[23:14:20] <stpeter> yeah
[23:14:50] <stpeter> BTW I've heard that SIP Communicator (soon to be renamed "Jitsi") has pretty good Jingle support -- I plan to test it out soon by having an encrypted video chat with Jer :)
[23:15:01] <niekie> Encrypted video chat :o
[23:15:06] <stpeter> yep
[23:15:07] <stpeter> ZRTP
[23:15:08] <niekie> That sounds awesome :)
[23:15:21] <niekie> But does that run on Linux? ;)
[23:15:26] <stpeter> yes
[23:15:29] <niekie> Nice.
[23:15:49] <stpeter> http://www.sip-communicator.org/
[23:16:34] <niekie> Awesome. I really need to try that. (as Jabber trend follower :P)
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[23:25:32] <stpeter> heh, it's good I'm re-reading 3921bis -- I found an instance of "presence subscriptons" :)
[23:26:40] <MattJ> :)
[23:27:08] <stpeter> I'm up to page 96
[23:28:28] <stpeter> submitting this version will be my final work task of the year, if I can help it
[23:29:16] <MattJ> You can :)
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[23:41:00] <stpeter> I declare it done (for now)
[23:41:07] <stpeter> /me checks IDnits
[23:49:18] <MattJ> *applause*
[23:49:36] <MattJ> Now sign off and enjoy Christmas :)
[23:52:45] <stpeter> you too!
[23:53:00] <stpeter> have a Joyous Yule and all that :)
[23:53:37] <stpeter> thanks for all your hard work in 2010 -- onward and upward....
[23:53:43] <stpeter> /me disappears in a puff of smoke
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