Logs for jdev

Show join/part/nick changes:

[00:00:53] * Florob left the chat.
[00:07:37] * stpeter left the chat.
[00:29:56] * luca tagliaferri left the chat.
[00:30:27] * jameschurchman joined the chat.
[00:31:17] * jameschurchman left the chat.
[00:43:37] * jameschurchman joined the chat.
[00:46:47] * deryni joined the chat.
[00:59:14] * hawke left the chat.
[01:09:13] * darkrain_ left the chat.
[01:16:43] * evilotto left the chat.
[02:07:38] * guest11 left the chat.
[02:12:15] * jameschurchman left the chat.
[02:28:13] <louiz’> dwd, hum, Suelta, is it supposed to work with python < 2.6?
[02:28:42] <louiz’> I would like to modify it, so it works with both python 2 and 3. But that's hard if you want it to be compatible with 2.5 or lower, afaik
[02:28:56] <louiz’> also, tab indentation, really? :(:(
[03:09:10] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[03:09:38] * Treebilou left the chat.
[03:09:51] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[03:54:42] * teo1 left the chat.
[03:54:43] * teo1 joined the chat.
[04:16:54] * MattJ left the chat.
[06:18:40] * Treebilou left the chat.
[06:36:41] * jcea left the chat.
[06:49:26] * Alex joined the chat.
[06:56:14] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[06:57:11] * Treebilou left the chat.
[06:57:13] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[07:35:06] * ermine joined the chat.
[07:39:57] * Alex left the chat.
[07:40:07] * Alex joined the chat.
[08:02:35] * mlundblad_laptop joined the chat.
[08:05:31] <dwd> louiz’, Originally it ran on Python 2.3 or something. But it needs kicking into shape. Also, feel free to send me a reintendation patch.
[08:26:45] * petermount joined the chat.
[08:38:26] * sjr joined the chat.
[08:44:05] <louiz’> ok :)
[08:44:27] * teo1 left the chat.
[08:44:29] * teo1 joined the chat.
[08:56:07] * jonas joined the chat.
[09:12:12] * Treebilou left the chat.
[09:32:18] * luca tagliaferri joined the chat.
[10:15:57] * sjr left the chat.
[10:25:42] * teo1 left the chat.
[10:32:44] * teo1 joined the chat.
[10:51:10] * will.thompson joined the chat.
[10:51:22] * smoku left the chat.
[11:00:40] * smoku joined the chat.
[11:29:51] * alfeberlin joined the chat.
[11:30:05] * alfeberlin left the chat.
[11:41:52] * waqas joined the chat.
[11:53:34] * nabatt joined the chat.
[11:54:52] * johnny left the chat.
[11:55:49] * johnny joined the chat.
[11:59:36] * scippio joined the chat.
[12:00:45] * smoku left the chat.
[12:03:50] * Tobias joined the chat.
[12:14:53] * Zash joined the chat.
[13:01:33] * nabatt left the chat.
[13:08:49] * smoku joined the chat.
[13:09:29] * smoku left the chat.
[13:13:30] * scippio left the chat.
[13:17:48] * Tobias left the chat.
[13:20:20] * teo1 left the chat.
[13:20:21] * teo1 joined the chat.
[13:21:02] * dwd left the chat.
[13:33:50] * tofu left the chat.
[13:57:27] * tofu joined the chat.
[14:05:21] * scippio joined the chat.
[14:06:14] * Tobias joined the chat.
[14:14:53] * dwd joined the chat.
[14:36:29] * deryni left the chat.
[14:37:45] <dwd> Isn't there a pubsub explorer thing somewhere? And does it work?
[14:38:45] <Zash> There is
[14:38:51] <Zash> And I don't know
[14:40:22] <dwd> Does it have a name?
[14:40:54] <Zash> I think so. But I can't remember
[14:40:57] <Zash> Brainslowness :(
[14:41:08] <dwd> Brainslowness? Stupid name.
[14:41:57] <Zash> :P
[14:42:26] <Zash> I think it used pygtk thou
[14:43:28] <Zash> PsBrowser?
[14:44:07] <jonas> you can do some basic browsing with gajim i think
[14:44:19] <Zash> http://projects.comum.org/psbrowser/
[14:44:36] <dwd> jonas, Yeah, that stuff mostly works. Although most of my tinkering is done with a PEP service rather than a pubsub service as such.
[14:45:15] <Zash> PEP browser?
[14:45:35] <dwd> Zash, No, my PEP service has fairly full XEP-0060/XEP-0248 support.
[14:45:48] <dwd> Zash, It seems like it might be fun.
[14:46:29] <Zash> dwd: PsBrowser was what I was thinking of
[14:46:37] <Zash> Never got it to run thou
[14:58:44] * nabatt joined the chat.
[15:05:45] <Zash> !xep 45
[15:05:46] <Kanchil> Zash: XEP-0045: Multi-User Chat is Standards Track (Draft, 2008-07-16) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html
[15:10:05] * waqas left the chat.
[15:16:35] <niekie> Hrm, what was my favorite XEP again?
[15:16:41] <niekie> 29 I think...
[15:16:43] <niekie> !xep 29
[15:16:43] <Kanchil> niekie: XEP-0029: Definition of Jabber Identifiers (JIDs) is Standards Track (Retracted, 2003-10-03) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0029.html
[15:16:47] <niekie> Nope.
[15:16:51] <niekie> !xep 28
[15:16:51] <Kanchil> niekie: XEP-0028: XSF Plans for World Domination is Top Secret (Hidden, Work ongoing) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0028.html
[15:17:01] <niekie> That's the one ;)
[15:18:55] * Alex left the chat.
[15:25:01] * deryni joined the chat.
[15:45:17] * nabatt left the chat.
[15:46:02] * deryni left the chat.
[15:46:03] <Zash> niekie: You mean "Ops!"
[15:46:25] <niekie> Oh, right. Whoops :)
[15:46:56] <Zash> Riddim needs [xep 258] support :)
[15:46:56] <Kanchil> Zash: XEP-0258: Security Labels in XMPP is Standards Track (Experimental, 2010-07-30) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0258.html
[15:47:10] <niekie> Who are all you people? Why are you all here? *closes curtains*
[15:47:21] <Kev> Zash: My Riddim does :)
[15:47:33] <Zash> Kev: :O
[15:47:38] <Kev> In the loosest possible sense.
[15:47:38] <dwd> [15:18:28] [Isode Unclassified] Dave Cridland: !xep 28 [15:18:29] [Isode Unclassified Internal] XMPPBot: Dave Cridland: XEP-0028: XSF Plans for World Domination is Top Secret (Hidden, Work ongoing) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0028.html
[15:47:41] <dwd> See?
[15:47:53] <dwd> /me wildly breaks security policy.
[15:48:02] <Kev> It requests a catalogue from the server, so the server thinks it supports 258, and doesn't insert FLOTs, breaking the command parser :)
[15:48:06] <Zash> Not M-Link adding default policies to outgoing stuff?
[15:48:20] <dwd> Well, might be that too. :-)
[15:48:30] <dwd> Default labels, though, not default policy.
[15:48:42] <Zash> Of coures
[15:48:42] * petermount left the chat.
[15:48:55] <niekie> I even forgot how those are supposed to work again.
[15:48:57] <dwd> (Note that I'm using Gajim, which does genuinely support XEP-0258, hence I pick my labels)
[15:52:48] * smoku joined the chat.
[15:52:51] <Zash> Hm. I do too, but I see nothing
[15:54:32] * mlundblad_laptop left the chat.
[15:57:54] * deryni joined the chat.
[15:59:04] * darkrain_ joined the chat.
[15:59:42] * Arc joined the chat.
[15:59:42] * Arc left the chat.
[16:03:27] * Arc joined the chat.
[16:03:44] * Arc left the chat.
[16:05:12] * Arc joined the chat.
[16:17:03] * smoku left the chat.
[16:17:13] * smoku joined the chat.
[16:20:04] * Arc left the chat.
[16:35:36] * jonas left the chat.
[16:39:49] * nabatt joined the chat.
[16:40:23] * teo1 left the chat.
[16:46:23] * smoku left the chat.
[16:46:30] * smoku joined the chat.
[16:46:56] * smoku left the chat.
[16:50:42] <Tobias> are the old summit pages still reachable via http?
[16:51:01] <Tobias> or have they got wordpressed to death?
[16:51:03] <dwd> That old protocol? Heavens no, we're far beyond that.
[16:51:44] <darkrain_> XMHTTP
[16:51:57] * lastsky joined the chat.
[17:09:05] <dwd> /me sobs
[17:09:13] <dwd> Nobody's commenting on my blog post. :-(
[17:11:24] <darkrain_> /me posts a link to dwd's blog post in some spammer/troll forums
[17:11:45] <dwd> darkrain_, How do you even know where those are?
[17:12:17] <darkrain_> /me whistles innocently
[17:12:30] <dwd> Although to be fair, I've not even had any spam comments.
[17:12:44] <darkrain_> Random channels on some of the public IRC networks would probably be a good place to start
[17:12:46] * will.thompson left the chat.
[17:12:50] <dwd> Even the spammers don't like me anymore.
[17:13:40] <dwd> Although looking through the spam does show up some cracking posts.
[17:13:53] <dwd> "I have be familiar with a few of the articles on your website trendy, and I unqualifiedly like your line of blogging. I added it to my favorites net stage roster and last will and testament be checking promote soon. Please repress out my site as ok and vindicate me be acquainted with what you think. Thanks."
[17:14:27] * will.thompson joined the chat.
[17:14:37] <dwd> Reads like Stanley Unwin, that one.
[17:15:22] * lastsky left the chat.
[17:18:50] <Zash> What is it with those even?
[17:19:07] <Zash> That seem to say that one writes good stuff
[17:19:14] <dwd> I think it's trying to encourage people to click on the URI he provides.
[17:19:31] <Zash> Mm
[17:19:43] <Zash> And search engine indexing/ranking
[17:22:11] <dwd> I do like "unqualifiedly", though. That's an excellent word.
[17:24:29] <Zash> dwd: (re: ICA) Is there even *any* reason not to give out those, except for greed?
[17:25:03] <dwd> Zash, Name constraints aren't terribly well implemented.
[17:25:23] <dwd> Zash, But greed is a significant portion, yes.
[17:27:10] <Zash> And I'm almost about to loose hope in DNSSEC, since it's starting to fragment in response to the domain seizing buissnes :(
[17:27:22] <dwd> It is?
[17:27:40] <Zash> There's already two distributed DNS projects
[17:28:01] <dwd> Which? You mean the alternate root projects?
[17:28:21] <Zash> (that I know of so far)
[17:28:21] * teo1 joined the chat.
[17:28:35] <Zash> more like DNS overlays
[17:30:14] <darkrain_> Ah, finally, something specific-ish about Peter Sunde's proposal: http://digitizor.com/2010/12/01/the-pirate-bay-co-founder-starting-a-p2p-based-dns-to-take-on-icann/
[17:30:49] <Zash> That, and http://gitorious.org/telecomix-dns / http://dns.telecomix.org/
[17:32:22] <darkrain_> That looks like it's just alternate roots?
[17:37:18] <Zash> The last link, which is deployed already, is mostly just alternate dns servers for people in places where they censor stuff. But the new system would be some kind of alternate root, with fallback on the normal root.
[17:38:08] <Zash> Not exactly sure how it's supposed to be yet
[17:38:12] <dwd> Zash, The thing is, any DNS censorship should become clearly visible with DNSSEC, sinced NXDOMAIN is (AFAIK) signed.
[17:39:03] <Zash> dwd: Even if the gov't goes in and pokes in TLDs?
[17:39:30] <dwd> Yes, should be visible.
[17:39:48] <Kev> Well, maybe.
[17:39:48] <dwd> You'd know it'd been tampered with, anyway.
[17:40:03] <dwd> In which case you *then* fall back to an alternate DNS system.
[17:40:11] <Kev> Surely it depends whether the government has access to the signing entity?
[17:40:20] <dwd> Well, yes.
[17:40:25] * evilotto joined the chat.
[17:41:08] * scippio left the chat.
[17:41:43] <Kev> Which there's no reason to suspect they don't.
[17:42:26] * will.thompson left the chat.
[17:43:36] <Zash> Couldn't they force ICANN or TLDs (do they have their own keys?) to revoke signatures, or whatever you do when you legimatley sell or loose control?
[17:45:56] * sjr joined the chat.
[17:46:08] <darkrain_> Isn't that effectively what they're doing now (forcing ICANN and the TLDs to take back domains)? I'm not sure I see how DNSSEC stops that
[17:46:35] <darkrain_> s/stops/stops or makes tamper-evident/
[18:22:33] * nabatt left the chat.
[18:40:32] * lance joined the chat.
[18:40:33] * sprint1@test.pontarius.org joined the chat.
[18:41:59] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> we are trying to send an iq stanza from one jabber account to another (residing on different servers) and we get a bad_format message. i have looked up what it means in xmpp-core but i don't really see how it applies. this is the debug server log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/299097/ ...
[18:42:25] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> haha, and i'm using the wrong jabber account here too... gosh :)
[18:43:28] <Kev> Can you paste the stanza, rather than the ejabberd parsed version?
[18:47:52] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> i will try, but the stanza is defined using exmpp too :)
[18:49:15] <Kev> I'd like what you send on the wire :)
[18:49:23] <darkrain_> /me mutters about a nice s2s-closing-stanza being awesome
[18:50:35] * nabatt joined the chat.
[18:58:46] * justin joined the chat.
[19:02:30] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> i will examine it tomorrow and return with it or what the problem was. thanks people :)
[19:04:44] <darkrain_> sprint1@test.pontarius.org: Erm
[19:04:53] <darkrain_> Aren't you missing type='get'?
[19:05:23] * Florob joined the chat.
[19:05:58] <darkrain_> sprint1@test.pontarius.org: Your IQ stanza is missing it :)
[19:07:45] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> darkrain_: what?
[19:07:55] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> oh, hold on
[19:08:18] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> i think i tried that already... it was not present in all examples at the service discovery xep
[19:09:06] <darkrain_> !xep service discovery
[19:09:07] <Kanchil> darkrain_: Multiple matches: XEP-0128: Service Discovery Extensions, XEP-0215: External Service Discovery, XEP-0030: Service Discovery, XEP-0230: Service Discovery Notifications
[19:09:11] <darkrain_> !xep 30
[19:09:11] <Kanchil> darkrain_: XEP-0030: Service Discovery is Standards Track (Final, 2008-06-06) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html
[19:09:16] <Kev> An iq must always have a type.
[19:09:24] <darkrain_> sprint1@test.pontarius.org: Which ones?
[19:09:26] <darkrain_> (examples)
[19:09:45] <Kev> And a single payload (or an optional payload plus an error payload if it's type=error)
[19:10:38] <Zash> I don't see any <iq .* without type
[19:10:44] <Kev> I wouldn't know what to look for.
[19:12:13] <darkrain_> They all appear to have "type" attributes to me, too.
[19:13:03] * luca tagliaferri left the chat.
[19:14:22] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> you are right darkrain_, i confused it with another iq stanza
[19:14:24] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> let me test it
[19:19:55] * mlundblad joined the chat.
[19:21:46] * nabatt left the chat.
[19:30:29] * scippio joined the chat.
[19:34:09] * johnny left the chat.
[19:36:38] * Asterix joined the chat.
[19:41:33] * sprint1@test.pontarius.org left the chat.
[19:42:30] * sprint1@test.pontarius.org joined the chat.
[19:42:30] * johnny joined the chat.
[19:42:40] * Florob left the chat.
[19:42:44] <sprint1@test.pontarius.org> the type attribute fixed it :) see you!
[19:42:47] * sprint1@test.pontarius.org left the chat.
[19:43:11] * Florob joined the chat.
[20:06:50] * Kev left the chat.
[20:06:55] * Kev joined the chat.
[20:08:24] * Florob left the chat.
[20:08:30] * Zash left the chat.
[20:09:04] * Florob joined the chat.
[20:09:45] * smoku joined the chat.
[20:36:07] * Zash joined the chat.
[20:58:08] * petermount joined the chat.
[20:58:21] * petermount left the chat.
[20:58:31] * dwd left the chat.
[21:00:22] * Ludovic joined the chat.
[21:04:25] * Florob left the chat.
[21:57:55] * lance left the chat.
[22:24:02] * MattJ joined the chat.
[22:25:09] * Asterix left the chat.
[22:28:06] * ermine left the chat.
[22:30:34] * jameschurchman joined the chat.
[22:32:46] * deryni left the chat.
[22:33:00] * Ludovic left the chat.
[22:58:05] * mlundblad left the chat.
[23:02:00] * justin left the chat.
[23:17:31] * Zash left the chat.
[23:42:17] * Tobias left the chat.
[23:54:19] * jcea joined the chat.
[23:55:25] * will.thompson joined the chat.