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[13:26:35] <jonkri@jabber.org> is there any p2p way of sending and receiving data from a web application that is not in-band?
[13:26:40] <jonkri@jabber.org> s/from/in
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[13:29:01] <jonas> p2p between http clients?
[13:29:23] <jonkri@jabber.org> ah, yes
[13:29:53] <jonas> maybe with 3rd party plugins
[13:31:39] <jonkri@jabber.org> if you don't want to have it centralized you would have to have two separate private servers making the socks5 connection with the other clients server
[13:32:19] <jonkri@jabber.org> where you trust your server and the peer trusts his or her server
[13:32:54] <jonkri@jabber.org> i hope i make sense...
[13:33:05] <jonas> i mean, you cant make the clients browser connect to some arbitrary host, but you your web application, on whatever server can connect as it may want to
[13:34:12] <jonkri@jabber.org> yeah... how could the necessary encryption keys be stored in the web browser?
[13:34:28] <jonkri@jabber.org> is there some persistent storage in browsers nowadays?
[13:36:07] <jonkri@jabber.org> i heard something about some web standard from oracle
[13:36:15] <jonas> there is "webstorage"
[13:36:15] <jonas> and cookies
[13:36:28] <jonkri@jabber.org> oh my god
[13:36:31] <jonkri@jabber.org> i totally forgot about cookies
[13:36:42] <jonkri@jabber.org> haha
[13:36:47] <jonkri@jabber.org> cool thanks
[13:38:07] <jonkri@jabber.org> under what circumstances can you not use socks5? how often is it successful?
[13:39:09] <jonas> socks5 can be used by the browser to connect via a socks5 proxy. it's a configuration setting that the user of the browser sets
[13:40:17] <jonkri@jabber.org> ok that's nice. what about between servers?
[13:40:24] <jonkri@jabber.org> will socks5 always find a route?
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[13:41:22] <jonas> socks5 is just a proxy. between servers your web application (running on the server) can do anything
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[13:41:47] <jonkri@jabber.org> oh, sorry for being unclear
[13:42:03] <jonkri@jabber.org> i'm thinking about using jingle and the socks5 transport method to share media among servers
[13:42:21] <jonkri@jabber.org> but i guess that's not really necessary if the servers are public web servers :P
[13:43:16] <jonkri@jabber.org> but ok; the servers are not always open on the web... so in that case we would need some kind of protocol to go through the nats
[13:44:00] <jonkri@jabber.org> so - some private media servers would be in private networks, not accessible from the outside. still they would communicate with xmpp and try to negotiate a (proxyless) socks5 session
[13:44:44] <jonkri@jabber.org> so my question is: will this always succeed, or how frequent will it fail?
[13:46:44] <jonas> what is it exactly that would fail you mean?
[13:47:21] <jonkri@jabber.org> not being able to establish a connection to each other where media data can be transmitted effectively (in contrast to ibb)
[13:49:24] <jonas> none? if the links are good and no crashes, or not out of resources and such
[13:50:26] <jonkri@jabber.org> what do you mean by "good" links?
[13:50:42] <jonkri@jabber.org> i assume you mean that it will never fail under normal circumstances
[13:50:56] <jonas> that they wont be the cause of a failed attempt
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[15:21:02] <Yagiza> Hello!
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[15:29:03] <Yagiza> /me wonders if it's all right to send <iq type='result' /> on vCard request without "from" attribute?
[15:31:48] <Yagiza> Well... According to Example 2 in XEP-0054, it's all right
[15:32:38] <jonas> I think the server will add a from attribute when the client doesn't add it
[15:35:18] <Yagiza> jonas, it's server, who sends <iq type='result' /> on vCard request
[15:36:14] <Yagiza> So, if server sends <iq /> without "from" attribute, there is noone to add it!
[15:37:11] <jonas> what server? if i test, I get a from attribute in the result
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[15:38:23] <Yagiza> Prosody acts this way
[15:39:29] <Yagiza> And according to this link: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0054.html#sect-id301062 it's all right!
[15:39:55] <jonas> if its allowed, then all is good i suppose
[15:40:01] <Yagiza> It's all right, if I'm requesting my own vCard
[15:41:08] <Yagiza> But I didn't know that it's possible, so my app crashed here when I tried Prosody.
[15:42:40] <deryni> rfc3920bis section 8.1.2.1 talks about what the server needs to do with from on streams to clients.
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[15:46:07] <Yagiza> /me just read rfc3920bis section 8.1.2.1
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[15:47:10] <Yagiza> deryni, according to it, <iq type='result' /> without "from" attribute isn't allowed!
[15:48:17] <Yagiza> But http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0054.html#sect-id301062 displays such reslt
[15:48:36] <Yagiza> So, which one do I have to beleive?
[15:50:27] <Yagiza> EJabberd sends <iq /> result with "from" attribute and Prosody - without it.
[15:51:48] <Yagiza> Once again, equivocality (v_v)
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[15:58:32] <deryni> According to that section no from is allowed when the stanza comes from the account.
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[16:05:46] <Yagiza> /me reread the section 5 times. Didn't found the part where said, that "no from is allowed when the stanza comes from the account"
[16:06:41] <Yagiza> 1st paragraph says about stanza from Client to Server 2nd paragrapth says about stanza from Server to Client
[16:07:00] <Yagiza> There is nothing about "stanza from account"
[16:07:54] <deryni> Point 3.
[16:10:04] <Yagiza> Ah. IC. My mistake.
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