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[03:33:13] <jonkri@jabber.org> hey folks! is there a way i can find out why http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0265.html has been deferred?
[03:33:44] <jonkri@jabber.org> i was considering to use that for pontarius...
[03:33:46] <MattJ> I was about to say in #telepathy :)
[03:33:57] <MattJ> Specs are deferred after inactivity
[03:34:15] <MattJ> before they reach draft
[03:34:20] <jonkri@jabber.org> MattJ: aha :)
[03:34:49] <MattJ> It means development of the spec stalled, either out of lack of interest, the author's time, or another spec did the same thing and was pursued instead
[03:35:42] <jonkri@jabber.org> i see
[03:36:01] <jonkri@jabber.org> well dirk said he was really busy nowadays with other stuff...
[03:36:07] <MattJ> The author is Dirk Meyer... he's on the mailing list, you should post there or contact him
[03:37:31] <jonkri@jabber.org> i think sending it in-band with jingle will do for now, but soon i may have to implement that spec for gabble... and my c is terrible :P
[03:38:23] <MattJ> Only one way to improve it... :)
[03:40:45] <jonkri@jabber.org> true :)
[03:40:53] <jonkri@jabber.org> thank you once again for your help, MattJ :)
[03:41:00] <MattJ> np
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[12:40:38] <kk> helo
[12:40:52] <kk> is anybody here
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[13:45:58] <Tobias> for the interop wiki page, wouldn't it be nice to list the features each interop instance provider is available for testing?
[13:46:11] <MattJ> +1
[13:46:32] <Tobias> i'll post that to the ML
[13:46:47] <MattJ> +1
[13:57:32] <Tobias> k
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[18:37:00] <ermine> простите
[18:37:19] <ermine> sorry
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[21:54:20] <dwd> 3920bis allows sending of updated features after the response to a resource bind <iq/> - really?
[21:54:39] <stpeter> currenly, yes
[21:55:26] <dwd> Could this include new mandatory-to-negotiate features?
[21:56:26] <darkrain_> "allows"? Does that involve a full stream restart or just a re-send of <stream:features/>?
[21:56:37] <dwd> darkrain, Just a send of the features.
[21:56:50] <dwd> > The receiving entity MUST send an updated list of stream features to > the initiating entity after a stream restart, and MAY do so after > completing negotiation of a stream feature that does not require a > stream restart. The list of updated features MAY be empty if there > are no further features to be advertised or MAY include any > combination of features.
[21:59:37] <justin> that's a bit gross
[21:59:57] <dwd> justin, I don't think it's gross, per se. I just don't think it'll *work*.
[21:59:59] <justin> the client goes on with its business i guess, and maybe some new features will show up
[22:00:14] <justin> some split second after already requesting roster, etc
[22:01:07] <justin> would be better if features were required to be resent after every feature change, regardless of whether there was a stream restart
[22:01:22] <justin> then the client would wait for the new features again after the binding, and all is nice and clean
[22:01:34] <dwd> justin, Except that'd still break the deployed clients, I'd bet.
[22:01:39] <justin> yep
[22:01:51] <justin> i wonder what originated this change in the spec. sounds like some shoehorning
[22:02:08] <justin> that, as you say, probably won't actually work
[22:02:18] <dwd> I think it's a relic of the discussion about unilaterally sending features arbitrarily in the stream.
[22:03:21] <stpeter> dwd: yeah I think so
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