Logs for jdev

[00:57:02] * darkrain joined the chat.
[01:33:44] * waqas left the chat.
[01:45:35] * luca tagliaferri left the chat.
[01:50:25] * Aidan joined the chat.
[01:51:26] <Aidan> Does DIGEST-MD5 SASL require some type of data encryption to the server? If so, what kind (would it be something like AES using the MD5 hash algorithm)?
[01:53:42] <justin> not surprisingly it uses md5
[01:54:56] <Aidan> So how would you encrypt the raw bytes that are sent to the server?
[01:55:12] <Aidan> I remember MD5 just being a hash algorithm, along with the SHA1 algorithm.
[01:55:28] <justin> yes, the password is hashed
[01:55:36] <Aidan> The algorithms can be used inside of encryption methods like AES (Advanced Encryption Standard).
[01:55:47] <Aidan> So what method do you think I would need to use?
[01:55:50] <justin> encryption ciphers are not used
[01:56:17] <Aidan> Oh thanks
[01:56:20] <Aidan> Found an answer from that
[01:56:21] <justin> it is common for challenge/response password exchanges to be hash only
[01:56:42] <Aidan> Ok
[01:56:44] <Aidan> Thanks for the help
[01:56:46] * Aidan left the chat.
[01:57:11] * scippio left the chat.
[02:11:55] * darkrain_ left the chat.
[02:17:54] * Aidan joined the chat.
[02:18:14] * Aidan left the chat.
[02:18:19] * Dylan joined the chat.
[02:18:45] * Dylan left the chat.
[02:19:21] * XxXDylanXxX joined the chat.
[02:19:42] <XxXDylanXxX> What kind of enryptiond does TLS require?
[02:20:27] * XxXDylanXxX left the chat.
[03:08:52] * justin left the chat.
[04:19:09] * Zash joined the chat.
[05:00:56] * johnny left the chat.
[05:03:28] * johnny joined the chat.
[05:56:18] * tofu left the chat.
[05:57:37] * darkrain left the chat.
[05:57:52] * darkrain joined the chat.
[06:24:21] * waqas joined the chat.
[06:25:37] <waqas> .
[06:28:51] <waqas> test
[06:34:48] <darkrain> .
[06:34:53] <darkrain> .
[06:38:53] <darkrain> .
[06:47:37] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[07:12:36] * jonas joined the chat.
[07:12:50] * jonas left the chat.
[07:13:04] * jonas joined the chat.
[07:14:26] * Treebilou left the chat.
[07:20:09] * mlundblad_laptop joined the chat.
[07:32:42] * teo1 left the chat.
[07:32:44] * teo1 joined the chat.
[07:43:20] * jonas left the chat.
[07:49:18] * petermount joined the chat.
[07:49:58] * petermount left the chat.
[08:01:01] * jonas joined the chat.
[08:12:12] * nabatt joined the chat.
[08:15:22] * petermount joined the chat.
[08:15:24] * petermount left the chat.
[08:28:08] * Tobias joined the chat.
[08:29:29] * ermine joined the chat.
[08:33:17] * Tobias_ joined the chat.
[08:36:38] * Tobias left the chat.
[08:38:11] * waqas left the chat.
[08:54:19] * Tobias_ left the chat.
[09:14:52] * Tobias_ joined the chat.
[09:16:56] * teo1 left the chat.
[09:16:57] * teo1 joined the chat.
[09:25:04] * alfeberlin left the chat.
[09:30:39] * petermount joined the chat.
[09:44:35] * Tobias_ left the chat.
[09:50:34] * Neustradamus__ joined the chat.
[09:53:27] * Neustradamus_ left the chat.
[10:12:18] * loxs joined the chat.
[10:12:35] * loxs left the chat.
[10:21:15] * jonas left the chat.
[10:25:21] * jonas joined the chat.
[10:34:15] * MattJ joined the chat.
[10:54:17] * louiz’ joined the chat.
[11:20:49] * luca tagliaferri joined the chat.
[11:57:41] * lastsky joined the chat.
[12:37:51] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[13:00:16] * louiz’ left the chat.
[13:00:19] * louiz’ joined the chat.
[13:03:18] * aa joined the chat.
[13:03:39] * aa left the chat.
[13:22:59] * Treebilou left the chat.
[13:36:34] * louiz’ left the chat.
[13:36:36] * louiz’ joined the chat.
[13:42:26] * lastsky left the chat.
[13:51:35] * test joined the chat.
[13:55:24] * test left the chat.
[14:45:24] * luca tagliaferri left the chat.
[14:49:49] * Treebilou joined the chat.
[15:09:07] * deryni left the chat.
[15:15:42] * petermount left the chat.
[15:15:58] * petermount joined the chat.
[15:26:46] * luca tagliaferri joined the chat.
[15:27:18] * teo1 left the chat.
[15:37:37] <Zash> .
[15:38:27] <Kev> ,
[15:41:58] * darkrain_ joined the chat.
[15:50:11] * abhinavsingh joined the chat.
[15:58:51] * nabatt left the chat.
[16:00:34] * deryni joined the chat.
[16:07:02] <dwd> ·
[16:07:27] <jonas> 。
[16:09:20] <petermount> ˚
[16:11:00] * mlundblad_laptop left the chat.
[16:16:26] <darkrain_> ☺
[16:18:32] * MattJ left the chat.
[16:19:06] * MattJ joined the chat.
[16:24:09] * teo1 joined the chat.
[16:30:51] * jonas left the chat.
[16:33:51] * tofu joined the chat.
[17:01:48] * Florob joined the chat.
[17:11:25] * Zash left the chat.
[17:29:21] * stpeter joined the chat.
[17:31:31] * darkrain left the chat.
[17:31:39] * darkrain joined the chat.
[17:35:10] * Tobias joined the chat.
[17:36:38] * waqas joined the chat.
[17:52:31] * Zash joined the chat.
[17:52:56] * jonas joined the chat.
[18:01:31] * Florob left the chat.
[18:01:38] * Florob joined the chat.
[18:04:37] <stpeter> 4000 unread email messages. Sigh.
[18:05:14] <Asterix> ctrl+a -> suppr :)
[18:05:30] <petermount> ouch
[18:08:59] <stpeter> Asterix: :)
[18:16:14] * petermount left the chat.
[18:21:11] * darkrain left the chat.
[18:21:40] * darkrain joined the chat.
[18:25:20] * Ludovic joined the chat.
[18:26:54] * Ludovic left the chat.
[18:26:59] * Ludovic joined the chat.
[18:41:06] * luca tagliaferri left the chat.
[18:57:24] * tofu left the chat.
[18:57:29] * tofu joined the chat.
[18:59:49] * waqas left the chat.
[19:12:29] * wiretap joined the chat.
[19:18:15] * tofu left the chat.
[19:18:18] * tofu joined the chat.
[19:34:23] * scippio joined the chat.
[19:42:16] * Grom joined the chat.
[19:43:02] * Grom left the chat.
[19:44:18] * Grom joined the chat.
[19:48:47] * Grom left the chat.
[19:51:59] * Grom joined the chat.
[20:11:38] * Zash left the chat.
[20:11:47] * Zash joined the chat.
[20:41:38] * Grom left the chat.
[20:49:07] * wiretap left the chat.
[20:49:08] * wiretap joined the chat.
[21:18:43] * Neustradamus__ left the chat.
[21:21:47] * mlundblad joined the chat.
[21:24:33] * darkrain left the chat.
[21:24:39] * darkrain joined the chat.
[21:39:47] * wiretap left the chat.
[21:39:48] * wiretap joined the chat.
[21:42:18] * jcea joined the chat.
[22:05:50] * Tobias left the chat.
[22:08:18] * Ludovic left the chat.
[22:14:05] * tofu left the chat.
[22:16:45] * ermine left the chat.
[22:19:08] * Tobias joined the chat.
[22:33:02] * abhinavsingh left the chat.
[22:35:58] * Tobias left the chat.
[22:43:32] * jcea left the chat.
[22:43:53] * jcea joined the chat.
[22:49:32] * mlundblad left the chat.
[22:59:03] * stpeter left the chat.
[23:01:14] * Tobias joined the chat.
[23:02:38] * jonas left the chat.
[23:05:56] * waqas joined the chat.
[23:13:17] <waqas> Sigh, I hate this re-scoping business...
[23:16:24] <Zash> :/
[23:20:03] * Treebilou left the chat.
[23:24:58] * johnny left the chat.
[23:28:52] * johnny joined the chat.
[23:36:06] <Florob> I'm not really sure what dwd wants to tell us...
[23:37:08] <louiz’> Where?
[23:37:08] <waqas> I think he's pointing out the extra xmlns='jabber:client' being required on the children.
[23:37:18] * Tobias left the chat.
[23:37:45] <Florob> louiz’, WG list
[23:37:47] <waqas> The new text still doesn't actually require it. "re-scope"'s effect on children isn't defined.
[23:37:56] <louiz’> ok thanks
[23:38:04] <Florob> waqas, Sure, but I'd like to know whether he things that's good, bad, or whatever...
[23:38:09] <Florob> *thinks
[23:38:12] <waqas> Bad
[23:38:18] <waqas> I think it's bad as well.
[23:38:25] <waqas> As does MattJ.
[23:39:13] <Florob> Yes, I saw the prosody@ discussion. I tend to agree, but it at least solves the problem.
[23:40:07] <Florob> However I'd also be fine with »A client MUST NOT send a element qualified by the "jabber:server" namespace«, which might be a bit harsh
[23:40:22] <Florob> base64 \o/
[23:40:43] <waqas> I'm firmly convinced that the only problem here is re-scoping itself. It's broken-by-design, and the current discussion is merely about working around the consequences of the brokenness.
[23:41:22] <Florob> while that is true we won't really get a chance to get rid of it till XMPP 2.o
[23:41:52] <Florob> We need a XMPP 2.0 wishlist on the wiki ;)
[23:42:08] <waqas> Stream feature: <no-rescope xmlns='something'/>
[23:44:35] <waqas> If servers start accepting jabber:client on server streams (fully backwards compatible), and indicate that in the stream features, the whole problem goes away.
[23:47:59] <Florob> how does that help? It may be backwards compatible, but the "old" also supported version is still underdefined/broken
[23:48:20] <Florob> besides it's way to late in the process for bis.
[23:48:45] <waqas> Florob: It starts the transition.
[23:50:55] <waqas> And we get all sorts of fun side effects of doing away with rescoping. Such streams can benefit from zero-copy routing while staying namespace aware.
[23:50:56] <Florob> still: a) to late for bis, b) the current protocol stays broken
[23:51:10] <waqas> How do you suggest the protocol be fixed?
[23:52:56] <Florob> Well, stpeter's suggestion works (though the suggested text is wrong), but that comes with a penalty. Or, as I have said forbid jabber:server on C2S, that should work quite well unless I'm overlooking something.
[23:53:13] <waqas> Why forbid it?
[23:54:10] <darkrain_> 'cause clients are special!
[23:55:25] <Florob> well, what you are changing when re-scoping is jabber:client becomes jabber:server and vice versa. If you only have either that survives re-scoping quite well. However if you have both, e.g. <message xmlns="jabber:client"><body xmlns="jabber:server"/></message>, that will become <message xmlns="jabber:server"><body xmlns="jabber:server"/></message> and then ultimately <message xmlns="jabber:client"><body xmlns="jabber:client"/></message>
[23:56:03] <waqas> So? Why forbid it?
[23:57:07] <Florob> ...it ensures the received stanza equals the send stanza. Alternatively we can allow it and tell people to expect "wired" things
[23:57:37] <Florob> weird even
[00:00:40] <Florob> basically, we agree it would be better to have only one NS in the first place. So having one per stream type (not allowing the other one) and then switching them is IMHO as good as we can get right now.
[00:01:52] <waqas> I don't think we should forbid anything unless there is actual harm.