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[00:37:59] <KoJIuku> Hello, people!
[00:41:45] <KoJIuku> I've got a question, about "new way of the login at jabber.org" - It's something new at jabber.org, to login with plain text password, right? But why no messages about it at www.jabber.org. Please people, help me to understand, what's going on! ...or maybe it's just all about my jabber client? Thank You.
[00:43:39] <MattJ> Hey
[00:44:07] <KoJIuku> MattJ: hello.
[00:45:06] <KoJIuku> MattJ: maybe you can tell me something about it, my friend?
[00:45:11] <MattJ> Ah yes, we disabled the DIGEST-MD5 login the other day
[00:45:40] <KoJIuku> MattJ: oh, it's a pity!
[00:45:41] <MattJ> Hopefully it's only temporary for now
[00:45:54] <waqas> MattJ: Why?
[00:45:55] <MattJ> In the meantime, ask your client developers to implement SCRAM-SHA-1 :)
[00:46:09] <KoJIuku> MattJ: great news! Thank you, Matt!
[00:46:40] <MattJ> KoJIuku, DIGEST-MD5 is not a pretty mechanism, SCRAM is shiny and new, everyone should be using it :)
[00:47:28] <MattJ> In the meantime just make sure you are using TLS encryption and PLAIN should be safe enough :)
[00:47:52] <MattJ> assuming your client correctly verifies the jabber.org certificate, etc. :)
[00:48:12] <KoJIuku> MattJ: :) thanks.
[00:52:53] <KoJIuku> Thank You people, thank You Matt...so bye for now. Take care friends and have a nice day! :)
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[02:19:40] <Aidan> Anyone here have experience with the .NET Framework (C#)?
[02:20:29] <Aidan> If so: First of all, why would a custom XMPP library cause an application to crash. Second of all, is there any data encryption involved with TLS or is it just a handshake?
[02:21:11] <waqas> Erm, the first depends on what the library is doing.
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[02:21:20] <Aidan> It's an XMPP client
[02:21:25] <waqas> And TLS is negotiation followed by encryption.
[02:21:31] <Aidan> What type of encryption?
[02:22:28] <Aidan> And the library is a full XMPP library; parses XMPP stanzas (e.g. stream, stream features, iq, message, presence, etc.) into classes, and has a "client connection" class for network interaction to the server.
[02:22:31] <waqas> There are lots of allowed types. XMPP currently requires TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA.
[02:23:42] <waqas> What do you mean it's crashing? Is an exception being thrown or what?
[02:24:29] <Aidan> It doesn't specify any exceptions in the debugger output, it just closes.
[02:24:51] <Aidan> If I run the EXE outside of the debugger (without vshost) it brings up the "Not Responding" dialog before closing.
[02:25:16] <waqas> You have the sources available?
[02:25:29] <Aidan> They would be too large to distribute
[02:25:41] <waqas> Step into it in the debugger to figure out what it's doing right before exiting.
[02:26:30] <Aidan> Well I have the library built into a DLL, and then it's referenced by a Windows Forms Application. All that the application does is calls the class's connect method. Right during connection and stream negotiation, it closes.
[02:27:22] <waqas> This could very well be a bug in the library. It's difficult to diagnose without knowing what the library is doing internally.
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[02:29:02] <Aidan> It appears the last thing the library does is call the socket's AsyncReceive method (it's receiving data through BeginReceive and EndReceive async methods).
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[02:31:07] <waqas> Does the callback get called? Try setting a breakpoint there.
[02:32:42] <Aidan> Yep; the application crashes after receiving a stream:features stanza from the server... I put a breakpoint there, and the callback said the function called by BeginReceive (that contains EndReceive) is the last thing called.
[02:33:19] <Aidan> I'm going to try using a Thread with a while loop for receiving instead of the automatic async functionality to see if that fixes anything
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[02:33:55] <waqas> I can't imagine what the library would be doing to cause this. Async should work fine normally.
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[02:34:27] <waqas> Does it do any unsafe operations (like pointer manipulation or calling into a native DLL)?
[02:37:37] <Aidan> Nope
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[03:42:04] <riot> hi.. since today i can't connect to jabber.org accounts via psi anymore.
[03:43:54] <riot> "There was an error communicating with the server . Details: Authentication Error: No appropriate mechanism available for given security settings (e.g. SASL library too weak, or plaintext authentication not enabled)"
[03:44:22] <riot> it says the server offered cram-md5, login, plain and scram-sha-1..
[03:46:25] <darkrain> riot: What OS are you using?
[03:46:41] <riot> debian unstable, didn't upgrade or touch any settings before.
[03:47:03] <riot> came figuratively out of the blue
[03:47:09] <darkrain> Right, there were changes made on the server to turn off DIGEST-MD5.
[03:47:22] <riot> uhm. Why?
[03:47:25] <darkrain> I don't know.
[03:47:27] <darkrain> I'm surprised your client isn't trying to use PLAIN over TLS
[03:47:35] <riot> i forbade that :)
[03:47:51] <riot> but otoh, it doesn't make much sense to forbid
[03:47:58] <darkrain> Well, enable PLAIN over TLS (and make sure you're validating the certificate effectively)
[03:48:12] <darkrain> And then bug your client developers to add support for SCRAM, which is the Path Forward(TM)
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[03:48:26] <riot> yes, that helps.
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[03:48:29] <riot> thanks alot :)
[03:48:34] <darkrain> np
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[04:22:02] <andreymal> Русский => Английский where I can read about registration in xmpp? (Translated in google :) )
[04:22:12] <andreymal> :-D
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[08:05:05] <adams10210> hi
[08:05:09] <adams10210> hi
[08:05:18] <adams10210> how do i setup jabber network for my organisation ?
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[09:41:15] <rlpowell> srweeks: You seeing this?
[09:41:34] <srweeks> Yes.
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[11:00:00] <jefferson11148> Hi, all!
[11:00:11] <naw> hello
[11:00:49] <jefferson11148> I have strange error when try connect to jabber.org over PSI linux client...
[11:01:13] <Kev> What's the error?
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[11:01:27] <naw_> I can connect
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[11:01:44] <jefferson11148> Match time before I work fine, but today get error "There was an error communicating with the server. Details: Ошибка аутентификации: No appropriate mechanism available for given security settings (e.g. SASL library too weak, or plaintext authentication not enabled) Offered mechanisms: CRAM-MD5, LOGIN, PLAIN, SCRAM-SHA-1"
[11:02:08] <jefferson11148> How I can fix it?
[11:02:10] <Kev> Ah, yes.
[11:02:25] <Kev> I disabled DIGEST-MD5 for a bit last week, I'll re-enable it.
[11:02:37] <jefferson11148> When?
[11:04:24] <Kev> I've re-enabled it, should be back after the next server restart.
[11:04:41] <Kev> Which I'll do shortly.
[11:05:08] <jefferson11148> Ok. Thanks
[11:05:30] <Kev> You can just set it to allow plaintext auth over encrypted connections if you want to connect in the meanitem.
[11:05:32] <Kev> *meantime.
[11:05:39] <jefferson11148> Ok. I try it.
[11:06:26] <jefferson11148> It is worked. Thanks again. :)
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[14:46:25] <mckinley40296> where can i find a list of servers?
[14:47:14] <Lastwebpage> http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
[14:47:30] <mckinley40296> .. /facepalm thanks XD
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