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[10:57:47] <loxs> how do clients distinguish between people from chatrooms starting a private chat to them and people starting a private chat via their "real jid"
[10:58:39] <loxs> I mean, in one case they must display the resource part of the jid as a "nick", and in the other case, they must show the id part of the Jid as the "nick"
[10:58:58] <Kev> loxs: By remembering what JIDs are rooms that they're in, and checking the bare JID against that list.
[10:59:54] <loxs> Kev, ok, then how do they know what is "a room"?
[11:00:29] <Kev> Whether a JID is a room, or whether a JID is a room that they're in?
[11:00:32] <dwd> loxs, They know the rooms they're in.
[11:00:45] <dwd> loxs, Or if they don't, then Doom Follows.
[11:00:46] <Kev> In the former case disco, but it's rare you need that, in the latter case they just know because they joined them.
[11:01:54] <loxs> so then the only way is to "label" something as a room when joining to it?
[11:02:34] <loxs> and there is no way for the server to "force join" someone to a room?
[11:04:04] <Kev> Both are correct.
[11:07:54] <loxs> thanks for the info
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[12:09:28] <MattJ> FWIW, Verse supports Jingle file transfer
[12:09:34] <MattJ> and can connect as a component...
[12:13:10] <jonkri@jabber.org> i have two questions related to jingle. 1) can jingle share an arbitrary filesystem directory including permissions? 2) can jingle be extended to support "deep" darknet-like file sharing (where you can download things _through_ friends (that is, from friend's friends))?
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[12:25:07] <dwd> jonkri@jabber.org, 1) Yes, thanks to the wonders of Tar™. Tar™, for all your filesystem sharing needs.
[12:27:01] <jonkri@jabber.org> dwd: you're serious? :)
[12:28:17] <petermount> I hope he is ;-)
[12:28:19] <merwok> I don’t think file selection dialogs or jabber client can send a directory, so Tar™ looks indeed good.
[12:28:39] <dwd> jonkri@jabber.org, I'm hurt you'd even ask.
[12:28:47] <jonkri@jabber.org> my apologies :D
[12:29:20] <jonkri@jabber.org> what about 2) then? would jingle be a nice protocol to build on for this?
[12:30:24] <dwd> You're looking then at a protocol for continuous offers of files. Then you would simply relay those offers, and (cunning bit) to mediated signal reflection to setup direct links.
[12:30:50] <dwd> But aside from the last bit, it's not actually Jingle you need, but PEP or something.
[12:31:11] <jonkri@jabber.org> oh, i don't want direct links
[12:31:25] <jonkri@jabber.org> i don't want any non-friend's ip to be exposed
[12:32:07] <jonkri@jabber.org> but i get your point
[12:32:25] <jonkri@jabber.org> relay offers, use jingle to send resources between nodes
[12:32:44] <jonkri@jabber.org> "node"... what do you generally call a xmpp server by the way?
[12:33:19] <Kev> Beatrice.
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[12:34:09] <Pinky> hi all
[12:34:24] <Pinky> any wokkel expert here?
[12:34:27] <Pinky> :-D
[12:45:43] <Kev> Not I.
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[16:59:41] <jonkri@jabber.org> just so y'all know... we have posted our idea at http://www.pontarius.org/pontarius-0-1-features-draft/
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