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[11:55:28] <dwd> Is xmpps (5223) documented anywhere?
[12:01:34] <Zash> I wouldn't expect so
[12:02:43] <Alex> dwd: I don't think so. At least not in the official protocols
[12:02:48] <Zash> It's not even XMPP afaik
[12:02:59] <Alex> nope, old Jabber
[12:03:11] <Zash> !xep legacy ssl
[12:03:12] <Kanchil> Zash: Sorry, I couldn't find a match
[12:03:16] <Zash> !xep legacy
[12:03:17] <Kanchil> Zash: Multiple matches: XEP-0090: Legacy Entity Time, XEP-0091: Legacy Delayed Delivery
[12:03:26] <Zash> !xep ssl
[12:03:26] <Kanchil> Zash: XEP-0035: SSL/TLS Integration is Standards Track (Retracted, 2003-11-05) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0035.html
[12:04:07] <Zash> dwd: It seems to mention 5223 there!
[12:05:16] <Alex> maybe in the old jabber programming guide
[12:05:37] <Alex> http://archive.jabber.org/docs/jpg/
[12:06:10] <dwd> Yeah, someone mentioned it as being "standard" on an IMAP list. Just thought I'd double-check before grumbling at him.
[12:07:01] <Zash> not standard as in standardized at least
[12:11:30] <Zash> !xep 73
[12:11:30] <Kanchil> Zash: XEP-0073: Basic IM Protocol Suite is Standards Track (Obsolete, 2007-10-30) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0073.html
[12:14:28] <smoku> dwd, it may not have a de-jure standard, but it is a de-facto standard
[12:15:39] <dwd> smoku, Yes, I know, I'm only widing him up. :-)
[12:17:17] <MattJ> widing? Is that painful?
[12:17:32] <dwd> It's like winding, but when I mis-hit the keys.
[12:18:09] <MattJ> smoku, does jabberd2 inherit the code that is "jadc2s" rather than the jabberd14 c2s?
[12:18:15] <dwd> Still getting used to new keyboard. (It's a MSFT one, with, bizarrely, a multi-touch resistive "touch screen" underneath the keys).
[12:19:03] <Zash> multi-touch and resistive?
[12:19:10] <dwd> Apparently.
[12:19:38] <dwd> Zash, Looks like a normal keyboard to me. Well, aside from the way the keys glow red.
[12:20:01] <Zash> wait what?
[12:21:01] <dwd> Zash, Sidewinder X4. All the decent keyboards are either monstrously expensive µswitch clones of IBM keyboards, and need imported from the states, or else they're gaming keyboards.
[12:21:21] <smoku> MattJ, yes, jabberd2 is something that evolved from all jad* projets. it uses the ideas, but is written from scratch
[12:21:23] <dwd> Zash, I was close to getting a Logitech one with a mini LCD display, but thought that was especially pointless.
[12:21:58] <MattJ> smoku, written from scratch? It seems to share some error messages and behaviour...
[12:22:15] <smoku> MattJ, but it's close - I was able to port epoll support from jabberd2 c2s to jadc2s without much tweaking. mio is taken almost directly from jadc2s
[12:22:45] <MattJ> Fair enough
[12:24:40] <MattJ> I got thoroughly confused the other day trying to disentangle all this :)
[12:26:42] <smoku> there is not much cronicles describing those ancient times and development of the days
[12:27:58] <MattJ> Agreed
[12:28:01] <smoku> I pieced some facts from what've been available... but my memory does not serve me well today, so it is a bit fuzzy
[12:28:32] <MattJ> Well I got confused because my fingerprinter was reporting some jabberd 1.6.x instances as jabberd2
[12:28:46] <MattJ> and some (of the same version) as jabberd14
[12:29:04] <MattJ> It seems the Debian package doesn't use jadc2s, but other packages do
[12:29:33] <MattJ> To make everything even better, the jabberd14 package in Debian has been split into two parts... jabberd14 and "libjabberd2" :)
[12:30:00] <MattJ> It took me a while to (I think) confirm this is unrelated to jabberd2
[12:30:47] <smoku> one may wonder how the heck did they got running apache2 alongside apache1 ;-)
[12:31:09] <MattJ> :)
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[12:54:40] <Zash> zeroconf/avahi/mdns/dns-sd forwarding/proxying/bridging over xmpp anyone?
[12:55:49] <MattJ> Explain?
[13:01:28] <Zash> Like, if setup a vpn over jingle .. you could forward zc-traffic there, and do .. cool stuff :P
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[13:30:43] <jameschurchman> hi guys... just lookgi for a quick bit of direction i want users to be able to register for my service (runing ejabber) so i have inbound registration working fine but i also want to be able to capture their email address etc... so i was reading the vcard-temp xep but im not sure that this quite does what i want firstly does it ensure that the email address is the only one in the system, and secondly i doubt it will send conformation emails to ensure that the email address given is a really one and also owned by the person registering also i don't seem to be abel to find hooks for the register or card set commands am i best embedding a "dataform" in the register stanza or just having a totally separate non-standard 2nd stage registration process where i send my own xml to my own registered name (ed register2.myhost.com <http://register2.myhost.com/> ) and doing it all manually i just wanted to keep things as standers as pos but im not sure if xmpp by default has what i want
[13:31:33] <louiz’> ejabber or ejabberd?
[13:31:46] <jameschurchman> ejabberd * sorry
[13:32:08] <louiz’> No, vcard-temp doesn't ensure that it's uniq, nor that the user provided any.
[13:32:15] <jameschurchman> yeah
[13:32:22] <jameschurchman> thats what i thought
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[13:33:01] <jameschurchman> so whats the best route, is there a spec for checking that an email is really and belongs to that user by sending them a unique has he to that address ?
[13:33:10] <jameschurchman> is not it seems something thats missing ;-)
[13:33:48] <louiz’> I think that a dataform in the register stanza is the solution. But you'd have to do the verfication yourself
[13:33:58] <deryni> Most people use out-of-band registration for that sort of thing.
[13:34:05] <deryni> Like jabber.org did/does.
[13:34:07] <Florob> you could either change ejabberd's registration code to ensure the user enters a e-mail address (or to ask for it in the first place, not if sure ejabberd does that). Or you create a web registration page
[13:34:21] <jameschurchman> ahh
[13:34:22] <jameschurchman> i see
[13:34:36] <Florob> also this is definitely not a spec issue. That falls under "service policy"
[13:35:05] <jameschurchman> well mine is an iphone app, so id preferably not have to have some alternate route to registration.. i was planingon on just having everything going over xmpp
[13:35:23] <louiz’> then you'd need to tweak ejabberd
[13:35:40] <louiz’> I don't know if a module or something would let you do that easily
[13:36:21] <jameschurchman> also would this custom registration process make my code only ever be abel to be used with ejabberd? i guess this is not a big deal but if i ever wanted to offer a version to work with other xmpp servers other than ejabberd
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[13:38:36] <louiz’> You need to change the server directly, so it will only work for ejabberd. You will need to do the same changes on other servers if you want to use another one
[13:38:46] <jameschurchman> yeah
[13:39:09] <MattJ> or get that server's friendly developers to do it for you, since they know the code best :)
[13:39:42] <jameschurchman> could do that -- tho i know erlang quite well so should be ok i hope ;-)
[13:39:56] <MattJ> I meant if you switched of course :)
[13:40:01] <jameschurchman> ahhh
[13:40:06] <jameschurchman> yeah thats tru ;-)
[13:40:14] <jameschurchman> not a big fan of java etc..
[13:40:46] <MattJ> Me neither
[13:40:48] <Florob> jameschurchman, if you do everything over XMPP, how are you going to verify the e-mail? (Just wondering)
[13:40:56] <MattJ> but not all the other servers are Java :)
[13:41:09] <jameschurchman> lol well i ment send the email over xmpp from the iphone app...
[13:41:11] <Florob> MattJ, sneaky
[13:41:18] <jameschurchman> on the server its cool if i send them an email
[13:41:21] <MattJ> Florob, just an observation :P
[13:41:41] <jameschurchman> email address from the ipheona pp over xmpp *
[13:41:45] <jameschurchman> app*
[13:43:20] <Florob> jameschurchman, that's not what I meant. Verification mails tend to have a http link in them, what are you going to put, assuming web registration is that much worse?
[13:43:33] <jameschurchman> i also what their first name etc.. so i think what i may just do is 1) inbound registration 2) vcard for first and last name etc. then 3) just my own custom IQ to send email address and then dispatch an email from the server to verify it
[13:44:37] <jameschurchman> guess thats a good point, assuming that its http link in the email they will have to see mobile safari for a second whilst it check their e-mail address
[13:44:58] <dwd> Ew. Pink?
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[13:45:56] <jameschurchman> i guess i could also put a hidden web view that does the registration
[13:46:09] <jameschurchman> could also do https to make it that bit more secure
[13:46:41] <Zash> Isn't there a way to redirect registration to a website?
[13:46:44] <Zash> !xep regist
[13:46:45] <Kanchil> Zash: Multiple matches: XEP-0053: XMPP Registrar Function, XEP-0077: In-Band Registration
[13:46:49] <Zash> !xep 77
[13:46:49] <Kanchil> Zash: XEP-0077: In-Band Registration is Standards Track (Final, 2009-09-15) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0077.html
[13:46:52] <jameschurchman> ( lol i had no idea that the pink color it choose was under my control... must have been some default choose for me in apples ichat )
[13:47:30] <dwd> Ew. Grey?
[13:47:40] <Zash> Ew, iChat!
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[13:47:56] <dwd> jameschurchman, For bonus points, try turning that off. Or turning off its habit of turning everything into a link.
[13:48:26] <jameschurchman> dad : sorry what ?
[13:48:34] <jameschurchman> dwd*
[13:48:45] <dwd> /me breathes noisily
[13:48:53] <jameschurchman> (odd auto correction their :-) )
[13:48:53] <Zash> Can it even do that?
[13:48:56] <dwd> No, *I* am your father.
[13:49:19] <dwd> Zash, Turn it off? No. There's an option to stop it linkifying, but I don't think it actually does anything.
[13:49:23] <jameschurchman> but i like ichat
[13:49:28] <Florob> AH, so it's Darth WaDer
[13:49:44] <Zash> Florob: hahaha :D
[13:49:50] <dwd> I only had kids so I could do that line, you know.
[13:50:11] <jameschurchman> so soz, ichat trulls every message i send into a link? thats odd?
[13:50:13] <dwd> Now, 9 years on, you'd think it'd wear thing, but no...
[13:50:28] <dwd> jameschurchman, No, anything that looks as if it might be a link.
[13:50:39] <jameschurchman> oh i seee
[13:50:46] <dwd> jameschurchman, So, for example, if you try to use our bot:
[13:50:51] <dwd> !version jabber.org
[13:50:53] <Kanchil> dwd: jabber.org is running Isode M-Link version 14.6v4 on an unknown platform
[13:51:30] <jameschurchman> not sure its under my control.. i have chatx that adds a few features but not that one
[13:51:33] <dwd> It'll turn that "jabber.org" into a link, then change the plaintext into having a link next to it, and so the bot can't tell what you mean.
[13:52:06] <jameschurchman> ahh i seee
[13:52:21] <petermount> yeuch, it's linkifying the outbound?
[13:52:32] <jameschurchman> apple's never been too great at these "standards" things
[13:52:48] <MattJ> It's not even standard, it's common sense :)
[13:52:53] <dwd> petermount, It's linkifying, and then linkifying the plaintext.
[13:53:42] <jameschurchman> what other (mac) clients do you recommend .. i think adium can do xmpp so i confidant axiom can do xmpp and probably conferences too .. i could giv that a try
[13:53:53] <dwd> MattJ, BTW, you can change jameschurchman's text into plaintext with a room config tweak.
[13:53:58] <Florob> Personally, I think that is a good idea. Well, I'd only do it for things with a scheme and not put the url twice, but other than that it's pretty nifty
[13:54:04] <petermount> jameschurchman as in I'm using Adium right now ;-)
[13:54:05] <Zash> and what it does to full jids is a crime against humanity!
[13:54:13] <MattJ> dwd, yes, but Kanchil will shortly support XHTML-IM so I don't like that idea much :)
[13:55:01] <jameschurchman> lol what does it do to full ids?
[13:55:14] <Zash> type foo@bar/baz
[13:55:25] <jameschurchman> foo@bar/baz
[13:55:39] <Zash> ehm
[13:55:40] <jameschurchman> foo@bar.com <mailto:foo@bar.com>/baz do you mean?
[13:55:45] <jameschurchman> oh nice
[13:55:47] <MattJ> :D
[13:55:58] <dwd> Nicer if you don't see the HTML.
[13:55:59] <petermount> :'(
[13:56:01] <jameschurchman> it only recognises the bare jid
[13:56:02] <Florob> please tell me that is not a mailto:
[13:56:06] <Zash> foo@bar.com <mailto:foo@bar.com>/baz do you mean?
[13:56:12] <jameschurchman> lol
[13:56:14] <dwd> Florob, Okay. It is not a mailto.
[13:56:26] <dwd> Florob, I'm lying, but at least I told you what you wanted to hear.
[13:56:42] <Florob> dwd, true. But Zash had already ruined it
[13:56:46] <dwd> Zash, Right. I mean, what could be more useful?
[13:57:09] <MattJ> XHTML-IM disabled, for fun :)
[13:57:26] <dwd> MattJ, In the room config?
[13:57:29] <MattJ> Aye
[13:57:37] <dwd> MattJ, Unchecked pass-any as well?
[13:57:49] <MattJ> No, didn't see it
[13:58:02] <MattJ> "Accept any message type"?
[13:58:09] <dwd> MattJ, That's the one.
[13:58:15] <MattJ> Gone
[13:58:22] <Kev> I guess I'm too late to this party to recommend Swift as a Mac client?
[13:58:48] <dwd> Kev, "Now with Moving People Between Groups™"?
[13:59:08] <Kev> Quite
[13:59:28] <Kev> Hey, Psi's been about almost a decade and doesn't allow adding people to multiple groups yet :)
[13:59:30] <MattJ> Multiple groups per contact?
[13:59:35] <MattJ> Yay :)
[14:00:06] <dwd> MattJ, Confuses the heck out of users.
[14:00:16] <Kev> Thus "Yay :)"
[14:00:37] <jameschurchman> ( il give swife a go too )
[14:00:38] <MattJ> :)
[14:00:40] <jameschurchman> swift *
[14:01:09] <Kev> If you want to give Swift a go, I'd better run you off a new build.
[14:01:14] <Kev> I think we're 125 commits since the last beta now.
[14:01:19] <jameschurchman> is it QT based?
[14:01:26] <dwd> Kev, Go look at our support requests with all their "XYZ was in my roster twice, so I removed him, and now he's gone from both and doesn't love me anymore and boohoo"
[14:01:38] <dwd> jameschurchman, Yes, but it's actually quite pretty for all that.
[14:01:52] <jameschurchman> yea thats cool
[14:01:54] <jameschurchman> i use QT
[14:02:03] <Kev> dwd: Yes, you had me convinced right up until "our support requests" :)
[14:02:19] <jameschurchman> ok be back in a min.. il log in from adium first
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[14:02:54] <Kev> I've already had a "You need to add Are You Sure?" request for removing people. I can put "This will really remove them, not just, you know, move them around a bit" in there as well when I add it.
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[14:03:20] <louiz’> :D
[14:03:39] <MattJ> Better way, "This will remove the contact from all groups"
[14:03:44] <MattJ> or even better, list the groups
[14:03:57] <MattJ> and perhaps allow just "removing" from particular groups
[14:04:03] <louiz’> yeah
[14:04:04] <Zash> +1
[14:04:14] <Zash> until it's only one group left
[14:04:25] <louiz’> perhaps, removing should remove the group from the contac, unless it's the only group: remove the contact instead
[14:04:26] <dwd> Zash, And then destroy them all!
[14:04:40] <dwd> Ahem. Sorry. Got over excited again.
[14:04:44] <Kev> louiz’: And then when the user really did want to remove the contact, they've got to go through 4 removes already.
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[14:05:14] <Zash> Kev: What kind of user has people in 4 groups?
[14:05:16] <dwd> Kev, Surely you have "Unsubscribe" and "Remove" options?
[14:05:20] <MattJ> Zash, me
[14:05:33] <Kev> I would have thought "Would you like to remove dwd [completely] [only from this group]" is the sensible way.
[14:05:34] <dwd> Zash, Anyone using them for PEP ACL groups.
[14:05:42] <James Churchman> ok im back .. now in adium
[14:06:01] <James Churchman> thou i have to say its 10X uglier than ichat !
[14:06:03] <Zash> Kev: +1
[14:06:05] <dwd> Kev, "Would you like to remove Kev [only from this group][from your roster][from the company][from the world]"
[14:06:23] <Kev> [the group][your roster][BALEFIRE]
[14:06:47] <Florob> I'd like a [not at all] option
[14:06:56] <Zash> dwd: where the last opt sends a message to some hitman org :)
[14:07:32] <Zash> Florob: No! There needs to be a point of no return! "This person is going away, and it's to late to stop it" :P
[14:07:53] <louiz’> Florob, :D:D
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[14:08:22] <louiz’> [I changed my mind] is a good option for every action in any software
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[14:08:37] <dwd> Are you sure?
[14:08:40] <dwd> Are you really sure?
[14:08:50] <dwd> Hey, what did you ask me again?
[14:08:53] <louiz’> Please, make sure that you're sure
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[14:09:22] <dwd> "I wouldn't do that if I were you."
[14:10:09] <Zash> "Please think about it some more"
[14:10:23] <Zash> "Sleep on it, and try again tomorrow"
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[14:12:16] <Florob> »You are trying to remove the last kernel on your system. If you really want to do that please type "YES, I know exactly what I am doing and know the consequences!" with correct capitalisation and punctuation:«
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[14:13:13] <Florob> It's funny, because it's real. ;)
[14:13:26] <Zash> :D
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[17:06:26] <gnufs> if a user only has an entity with a negative priority online, would presence subscription requests get directed to that negative priority entity or stored by the xmpp server to be sent to an entity with a positive priority?
[17:07:07] <MattJ> Invalid question :)
[17:07:12] <MattJ> Priority affects message routing only
[17:07:22] <MattJ> You receive subscription requests if you requested the roster
[17:10:41] <gnufs> so, the negative priority entity receives the subscription request? (or am i just having difficulty in either explaining my question or understanding your response?)
[17:11:03] <Kev> It receives the request iff it has requested the roster.
[17:12:19] <Florob> Err...
[17:12:43] <Kev> That wasn't the translation of what Matt just said?
[17:13:26] <gnufs> it was :)
[17:13:30] <Florob> MattJ, Kev Presence goes to available resources. Not interested ones AFAIK
[17:13:52] <MattJ> doh, sorry
[17:13:59] <Kev> You're right, it's available not interested.
[17:14:06] <Kev> 3.1.3.3
[17:14:10] <MattJ> roster pushes to those that requested the roster, subscriptions to available
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[17:26:05] <gnufs> so, if i have constantly online fridge with a priority of -127 and obviously don't want subscription requests to be directed to it, i make sure that the fridge doesn't request the roster?
[17:26:53] <Kev> No, Matt and I were wrong.
[17:27:03] <Kev> You'll get sub requests as long as you're available.
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[17:27:55] <MattJ> gnufs, just ignore the subscription requests
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[17:28:10] <deryni> Yeah, they are designed to allow for that.
[17:28:56] <gnufs> ah, so the unanswered subscription requests will be repeated to other entities when they become present?
[17:29:02] <MattJ> Yes
[17:29:03] <Kev> Yes.
[17:29:19] <gnufs> one smart architecture..
[17:29:23] <MattJ> :)
[17:29:28] <gnufs> thank you, all! o/
[17:29:35] <MattJ> np
[17:30:22] <clauwn> gnufs: this is specified in RFC 3921.11.1.4.2 if I'm right
[17:32:15] <clauwn> link: http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc3921.html#rules
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[17:34:37] <Rob Cridland> Good evening people
[17:34:50] <Tobias> ahh..dave's good twin ;)
[17:35:02] <Zash> :O
[17:35:06] <Rob Cridland> *good*??? I think you mean *better*
[17:35:23] <Tobias> Rob Cridland: so it's a choice between two evils?
[17:35:40] <Rob Cridland> Tobias: Perhaps :D
[17:36:11] <Rob Cridland> Anyway... I'm not here to insult Grandad
[17:36:31] <Rob Cridland> :D :D
[17:36:53] <Tobias> Rob Cridland: then what are you here for?
[17:36:54] <Tobias> :)
[17:40:19] <Rob Cridland> Some advice
[17:40:24] <Rob Cridland> (as always)
[17:40:30] <Rob Cridland> Oh... hang on... not quite
[17:40:38] <Rob Cridland> I'm actually after some *free* advice! ;)
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[17:41:37] <Zash> How are the advisers supposed to get payed?!! :P
[17:42:06] <Rob Cridland> In good karma?
[17:43:12] <Rob Cridland> By paypal???
[17:43:16] <Rob Cridland> I dunno! You tell me! :)
[17:44:39] <Rob Cridland> Anyway... now I've decided I have two questions
[17:44:42] <johnny> hah Tobias ... :)
[17:44:47] <johnny> too bad you only get 1
[17:44:52] <johnny> the other you'll have to pay for
[17:45:18] <Rob Cridland> What about if it relates to XMPP?
[17:45:26] <Rob Cridland> (Sure I'll get there shortly!)
[17:45:56] <Florob> just ask ;)
[17:46:13] <Rob Cridland> Florob: Right
[17:46:50] <johnny> /me steals Florob's lunch
[17:47:08] <Rob Cridland> I have a server with information on
[17:47:14] <Rob Cridland> I have a client which needs that information
[17:47:24] <Rob Cridland> If I use an xmpp account on BOTH
[17:47:34] <Tobias> ohh..information..i like information :D
[17:47:46] <Rob Cridland> But with different resources, can they talk without roster etc..
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[17:48:44] <Florob> Rob Cridland, you mean without requesting the roster? Sure.
[17:49:30] <Rob Cridland> No, I don't really mean that
[17:49:35] <Rob Cridland> If I create an XMPP account on a server
[17:49:47] <clauwn> you are talking about without subscribing, right?
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[17:50:50] <Rob Cridland> Log TWO clients into the same account, but with different resources, no subscriptions either way, can they just talk without the server blocking the comms?
[17:50:59] <Rob Cridland> clauwn: yes, I guess
[17:51:15] <Zash> Rob Cridland: That would work, yes
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[17:51:21] <Rob Cridland> Zash: thanks
[17:51:29] <Zash> Rob Cridland: Assuming they know the otherones resource
[17:51:34] <clauwn> wouldn't they just have temporary subscription?
[17:51:36] <Kev> If two clients are connected to the same account, they already have an implicit subscription
[17:51:36] <Florob> you might have to send presence though
[17:52:12] <Rob Cridland> Zash: sure, the resource would be fixed, dependent upon client or "server"
[17:52:25] <Rob Cridland> Kev:Florob: Thanks
[17:53:04] <Rob Cridland> That makes it super-easy for my implementation
[17:53:47] <Rob Cridland> Well... good karma all round me thinks... thanks all... Can't stop as I have a million $$$ to make! :D
[17:55:17] <Rob Cridland> Au revoir (((really big wave emoticon that they haven't invented yet, but they really should, that would be so great)))
[17:55:39] <Kev> http://www.shareyourride.net/images/Its_Never_Too_Late_To_Become_A_Surfer_Dude/Really_Big_Wave.jpg ?
[17:56:38] <Rob Cridland> Kev: Something like that!
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[21:46:09] <Tobias> what kind of exotic features is dwd using in his mobile xmpp xep that aren't yet supported in the XML->PDF translation :)
[21:46:25] <stpeter> heh
[21:47:09] <Florob> Tobias, exotic? You mean like ***?
[21:47:38] <Tobias> in the conclusions section
[21:50:28] <Tobias> somehow the html definition stuff isn't converted correctly
[21:50:52] <Tobias> even worse is that I added support for that to our xep.dtd :)
[21:51:06] <Tobias> or our html/pdf translation
[21:51:10] <Tobias> don't remember that exactly
[21:52:45] <dwd> Tobias, It's just to annoy you.
[21:53:35] <Tobias> dwd: strange, that was my first guess too :D
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[21:55:12] <stpeter> :)
[21:55:15] <stpeter> bbiab
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[21:57:55] <Tobias> dwd: you forgot the <di></di> around each single definition, tztztz
[22:05:21] <Florob> Still... PDFs swallow asterisks :(
[22:05:43] <Tobias> Florob: example?
[22:06:12] <Tobias> Florob: while i'm at it, i remember you had some changes i wanted to commit but haven't yet, what were those
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[22:07:07] <Florob> tables and s/\linewidth{}/\linewidth/
[22:07:38] <Florob> aka http://babelmonkeys.de/~florob/table.diff
[22:08:24] <Florob> Example: XEP-0045 table in 5.2.1, under the table
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[22:24:03] <Tobias> i wonder why dome xeps are executable :D
[22:25:00] <Florob> Yes, I said that some time ago. The answer was: "Try to execute them and you'll see"
[22:25:12] <Florob> Somehow it's still not funny :P
[22:26:13] <Tobias> ahh..right, now i remember :D
[22:26:36] <Tobias> Florob: at least the latest changes of you are in now and stuff is getting rebuild
[22:26:53] <Tobias> somehow our definition lists in LaTeX need styling improvement
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[22:46:02] <Tobias> Florob: do you see your table layout issue fixed?
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[22:47:21] <Florob> Tobias, in the "official" PDFs?
[22:47:26] <Tobias> yeah
[22:47:46] <Florob> no, still looks the same
[22:47:50] <Tobias> i applied the changes and > 70% are rebuilt
[22:47:52] <Tobias> hmm...
[22:48:00] <Tobias> i'll investigate that tomorrow
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[00:36:34] <Zash> libre.fm needs moar xmpp!
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[00:51:40] <Zash> bot or somesuch you register or add which subscribes to [xep user tune] and posts to their api
[00:51:41] <Kanchil> Zash: XEP-0118: User Tune is Standards Track (Draft, 2008-01-30) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0118.html
[01:02:50] <Zash> is there any gateway from xmpp + [xep 277] to ostatus?
[01:02:50] <Kanchil> Zash: Sorry, I don't think there is a XEP-0277
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